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Nice technologies, but generally theses investment are done to the expense of "snail" trains.

As I wrote, not really - at their 'expense' only in the sense that politicians will excuse their lack of investment in that field with high-speed rail, i.e. "see there, I spent x billions on rail".

From this railwayman's perspective, both are needed, high-speed networks and investment into the old network (mainlines AND branchlines).

BTW, you might be interested, I wrote a diary about my view on rail 'reforms' in the EU.

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by DoDo on Tue Nov 15th, 2005 at 10:39:41 AM EST
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I once took the train from NYC to Washington and was surprised to learn that the departure boards only gave the time but lacked the information concerning the  platform. When I asked for the number at the counter all I got was funny looks and the explaination that the station was so BIG that it was impossible to make any reliable forecast. Did anyone make the same experience? Too BIG? To me it looked much smaller than Cologne Central Station.

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by Ritter on Tue Nov 15th, 2005 at 03:06:17 PM EST
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This has long been a peculiarity of Penn Station in NYC. For mysterious reasons, they only announce the departure platform at the very last instant.
by silence (very1silent AT yahoo.com) on Tue Nov 15th, 2005 at 05:17:36 PM EST
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With the delays, I could somehow understand if they can't announce arrival platforms... but departure platforms?... Maybe turnaround time is too short, or departure platforms are re-shuffled as a function of arriving trains, or they gave up and don't plan in advance at all.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 09:10:56 AM EST
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Too BIG? To me it looked much smaller than Cologne Central Station.

Must have been the dark atmosphere.

Today's hyper-ugly Penn Station has 11+1 platforms with 21 parallel tracks. Köln Hbf only has 6 platforms (tough maybe wider ones) and 11 tracks.

Demolishing the old Penn Station is said to have been a first-order architectural crime - judging from the photos in the link, that appears to be true.

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by DoDo on Wed Nov 16th, 2005 at 09:44:45 AM EST
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In Madrid, when they rebuilt the train station at Atocha they turned the kept the old station building as an annex to the new one, and turned it into a tropical garden. The advanced-purchase ticket counters is on one side of it. It's beautiful.

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by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 05:35:37 AM EST
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I've had some conversations with a station supervisor for the Long Island Rail Road at Penn Station.  He tells me that the higher-numbered tracks (in the States, what the British refer to as a "platform" is what we call a "track," they assign a different number to each platform face) the Long Island trains use are rigorously assigned, and commuters can literally stumble down their usual staircase to their usual seat without checking the departure boards.  Amtrak, which generally uses tracks 8-14, and New Jersey Transit, which uses the lowest numbered tracks including the stub tracks 1-4, tend to be somewhat more cavalier about assigning trains to tracks, in part because Amtrak interference with New Jersey Transit trains affects the latter's ability to anticipate the next move.  (Further complicating things, the two tracks in the tunnel to New Jersey belong to Amtrak.  At least two of the tracks under the East River belong to the Long Island.)

Elsewhere in the States, track assignments can be more predictable.  Metra in Chicago uses the same philosophy as the Long Island, and lots of harried commuters can get to their trains without looking.

If memory serves, the British are sometimes unpredictable about assigning tracks, er, platforms.  In my trips there, I encounter little knots of riders looking at the screens for the number to be posted.

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by SHKarlson (shkarlson at frontier dot com) on Sun Nov 20th, 2005 at 12:57:57 AM EST
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Thanks for this explanation! From what I heard, the British problem has similar causes - it came after privatisation, and the lack of coordination between multiple companies, while many track repairs caused many delays, led to this chaos.

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Sun Nov 20th, 2005 at 07:24:54 AM EST
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Travelling by train is sometime so boring (not to me)...It's just to entertain the travellers:
- Train to Washington on plateform 1
People rushing on the next plateform
- Oh, no wait, it's on plateform 3...
- Can anybody says where the train to Washington is ?

We did this with a friend in a small station, but on 1st of April.

by Hansvon on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 04:34:28 AM EST
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:-)))) must have been a sight... hopefully SBB (or BLS or which one was it) lost no passengers due to this :-)

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One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 09:55:15 AM EST
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Yes both networks are needed, but at present time, it is impossible to build and maintain both. Switzerland is doing well only because it hasn't any plan for high speed train (if you except the Swissmetro, the very fast, > 500 km/h, underground train). It can just afford to slowly improving it's regular railway network (Bahn2000,Base tunnels, Pendolino).

You may also add to your diary that the State owned swiss railway (SBB/CFF/FFS) is not loosing money anymore :
+24.0 mio CHF in 2003
+42.6 mio CHF in 2004

by Hansvon on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 04:15:25 AM EST
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Well, not 300 km/h, but the 250 km/h Cisalpino trains can be counted as high speed. They will be able to attain that speed on both NEAT lines and (if the signalling system is ready) the Mattstetten-Rothrist Bahn2000 line - which aren't mere improvements, but capacity increases by adding parallel tracks. And this in a country without far-from-each-other multi-million cities to connect like Paris and Lyons. Also, the costs of the Gotthard NEAT line are well beyond that of a non-Alpine 300 km/h high-speed line say between Zürich and Bern.

So all in all, I think you Swiss quite rightly spend as much money on both new and old railways as the Germans and French should have spent, too - yours is a model, the best model to follow. (To a lesser degree, Spain too.)

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by DoDo on Thu Nov 17th, 2005 at 09:53:18 AM EST
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