And Kerry if elected would have been the final failure of the Democrats.

He would have continued the sell-out of the working class just like Clinton (who removed more welfare than Reagan). He would have stayed in Iraq, and the Republicans would have made sure that it is viewed as his failure. So would have the oil price hike. While we Europeans would probably have been drawn into the Iraqi mess more strongly.

And what I argued at the time was that the real issue was 2008, not 2004. Had Kerry won in 2004, four years later Jeb Bush or some other Republoscum much more intelligent than Dubya would have taken over - in a real landslide. Then it would have been good-bye America once and for all - now there is some chance that they will be buried deep enough under the Iraq mess and economic troubles for not even Diebold saving them.

_{*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.}