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Just a few minutes after posting, I was surprised to find this diary already on Recommended Diaries list.  Curious about this, I have a look to see how many have have recommended, especially since there aren't even any comments yet.  To my further surprise, there was just one recommendation.  Now, I have much respect for Migeru.  I enjoy his diaries and comments and am flattered to be recommended by him.  However flattered I am though, it seems that there should be more than just one recommend required to get on the recommended list.  It calls into question the value of such a list.  My best of my few diaries at dkos, received about 20 recs, and even that didn't quite meet the requirements (It seems to be about 30).  I realize that the requirements are based on traffic, and traffic here is still very light compared to dkos.  Still, perhaps some minimum standard might be in order, even if it means the the Reco list has only a couple of diaries on it.

"In war, the moral is to the physical as three is to one" - Napoleon
by John in Norway (nordicapollo@yahoo.com) on Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 06:52:43 AM EST
I suspect the recommended diary ranking is based on how many recommendations a diary has, and how recent the diary and/or the recommendations are. The easiest thing to do might be to reduce the mumber of diaries on the recommended diary list...

I recommended the dabate but did not have anything constructive or informed to say early in the morning so I left it at that...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 07:01:01 AM EST
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    "This further highlights NATO's implicit support for US extraterritorial adventures."
The facts on the ground do not give substance to your assumption. The ISAF forces are doing an excellent job and are staying on their mission goal by not participating in Operation Enduring Freedom.

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A satellite image of a facility alledgedly used
by the CIA as a covert prison near Kabul,
Afghanistan.
AFP/Space Imaging

The difficulties with ISAF member The Netherlands in participating with 1,100 troops in the province of Uzurgan, is based on getting guarantees from Afghan authorities. All prisoners captured will be handed to Afghan authorities, must comply with Geneva Conventions on treatment of detainees and cannot be sentenced to death.

The NATO meeting of Foreign Ministers has been covered in my previous diary ::
The Woman Who Came To Dinner ... ¶ Condi Rice NATO Reception

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by Oui (Oui) on Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 08:14:17 AM EST
The Dutch troops deployed in Iraq had a very different relationship with the locals than did the Americans, but American heavy-handedness ended up negatively affecting the Dutch mission.

Radio Netherlands: Stay friendly, get tough or get out?

The position of the Dutch troops stationed in southern Iraq is becoming more precarious. According to Defence Minister Henk Kamp and military personnel on the ground, the atmosphere among the local Shiite population has grown noticeably worse over recent weeks - a direct consequence of the US military campaign in the Shiite holy city of Najaf, which lies just north of the "Dutch" province of al-Muthanna. The regional authorities are also said to be less cooperative than before. Meanwhile, a perceptible increase in the level of popular support for radical Shiite leader Muqtada al-Sadr and his armed militia forces has also been reported.
A consequence of all these factors is that the cautious and friendly attitude of the Dutch troops in al-Muthanna province appears to be meeting an ever more unappreciative audience, while the number of attacks targeting the Netherlands' military forces in the area is showing a similarly rapid growth. The low point came just last Saturday with the death of a 29-year-old Dutch military police sergeant in Ar Rumaythah. Back home in the Netherlands, a tiny group of concerned relatives and friends of the troops in Iraq launched a campaign on Tuesday this week which - within the space of 24 hours - engendered political reactions, promises to re-examine the security situation and possibly even recall parliament for an emergency debate on the issue.

Juan Cole has also suggested that part of the reason for the precipitous departure of the Spanish troops from Najaf in May last year was that the US demanded that the Spanish troops "get Sadr dead or alive", which the Spanish commander in Najaf understandably refused to do. Sensing that the US was going to ignite the gunpowder keg under their feet anyway, the Spanish withdrew a couple of months ahead of schedule.

Informed Comment: Thursday, March 24, 2005

El Pais is reporting the disputes between Spanish military commanders in Najaf and US officers. The Spanish officers were appalled that Gen. Rick Sanchez wanted them to call in bombing strikes on civilian targets (a frequent US tactic in urban warfare in Iraq), and refused, sending in commandos to a hospital instead. Likewise, the Spanish declined to move against the Sadr Movement for fear of massive turbulence, so the US sent in special ops forces to arrest an aide to Muqtada al-Sadr anyway. (It is just unimaginable that the US would endanger the 1200 Spanish troops in Najaf in this high-handed way. It has been alleged to me by someone who should know that Dan Senor played a key role in this move). As the Spanish predicted, the sudden and still unexplained US assault on the Sadrists produced a massive uprising that threw the South into turmoil for two months. The Spanish by that time were fed up and the new Zapatero government determined to withdraw the Spanish military. Given how high-handedly the US treated them, you cannot blame Madrid for wanting no further part of the increasing Iraq quagmire. What comes across most strongly in this report is a general European officer-class repugnance at heavy-handed US military tactics, including especially the use of aerial bombing on civilian targets where guerrillas were present.


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 08:26:22 AM EST
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German social democrats and Greens have never really liked the US support of the Afghan mujahidin so its no surprise that they now want to finish off what the Soviets started. Being on very good terms with the Russians and having a German military base in Usbeskistan it helps not only to counter balance the American powergrip in the region but also to shield Russia from further radical islamist infiltration. That will stabilize Russia and guarantee the energy exports to the EU.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819
by Ritter on Mon Dec 12th, 2005 at 04:31:22 PM EST
I have always seen the invasion of Afghanistan completely differently than the invasion of Iraq.  The Taliban regime was supporting terrorists, and did have direct links with Bin Laden and the 9/11 attacks.  I think that overthrowing their regime was a legitimate and necessary response to 9/11; I am only sorry that the invasion was left half finished.  We let Bin Laden get away, and we have failed in the task of rebuilding the country; in fact, it is falling back under the control of warlords.  

Here is a question for John in Norway: if NATO is not willing to respond to direct attacks on its members, then why does it exist?

IMHO, the US should have invited broader NATO participation in Afghanistan 3 years ago, then maybe the country would have developed in a way that we could all be proud of.  Finally, I would like to note that I have always opposed the invasion of Iraq, and I am mortified by the use of torture.  But the world is full of bad people, and sometimes they can only be stopped by force.

by corncam on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 01:00:08 PM EST
You think too much. Big mistake.

"The USA appears destined by fate to plague America with misery in the name of liberty." Simon Bolivar, Caracas, 1819
by Ritter on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 04:26:46 PM EST
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