ECJ authorises tax race to the bottom | 52 comments (52 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re:What exactly is so ideal about the nation state (none / 0)

I'm not so sure. Yes, there are strong pressures to acculturate large European nations and European institutions have indeed been skewed towards that goal over the past 30 years. But there's an ocean between trying and succeeding, and it's the kind of gambit which is very dangerous to try and loose.

The threat to cultural coherence that I am talking about is not from without, but from within (through immigration). Acculturation by European institutions played no role in my comment. Also, I was not the one who clamored for a supranational democratic institution. The EU megastate does scare the crap out of me precisely because not enough effort is put into fostering the emergence of a European public.

So, I agree with you for the most part.

I can't have a cosmopolitan democracy so I have to content myself with keeping the nationality I was born with. Unfortunately for me, I don't have a nation that I feel allegiance towards: my strongest personal ties happen to have been with people from all over, and those who started out close to me are now half a world away.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 09:44:59 AM EST
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Re:What exactly is so ideal about the nation state (none / 1)

The threat to cultural coherence that I am talking about is not from without, but from within (through immigration).

Yes, part of the issue and you are already seeing the backslash, Danemark, France, Netherlands. That's also a horse the PP will ride hard to go back to power in Spain. Also, Europe = Schengen.

Acculturation by European institutions played no role in my comment. Also, I was not the one who clamored for a supranational democratic institution.

Europe does play a big role because it allows a lot of things to escape the reach of national (democratic) policies. Making it worst, it's often to simply nullify politics (and leave the issues in private hands), not to assume responsability itself.

Also, I was not the one who clamored for a supranational democratic institution.

Eh oh Migeru, be honest! You were the one who doubted the importance of the nation-state. Tsk tsk tsk :>

I'll close on that. I'm running late on my work :(

by Francois in Paris on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:05:16 AM EST
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Re:What exactly is so ideal about the nation state (none / 0)

Touche.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:07:57 AM EST
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Re:What exactly is so ideal about the nation state (none / 0)

That's also a horse the PP will ride hard to go back to power in Spain.

I know that you are right on this, and I am horrified because Zapatero is doing the right thing both on immigration and on Spain's nationalities, but it will cost him.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Dec 13th, 2005 at 10:10:15 AM EST
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Re:What exactly is so ideal about the nation state (none / 0)

[OT] Zapatero looks to me as a spanish Jospin. Am I wrong?

by toyg (g.lacava@gmail.com) on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 01:38:47 PM EST
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Re:What exactly is so ideal about the nation state (none / 0)

I don't know. Explain what you mean by "a Jospin".

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 14th, 2005 at 05:33:41 PM EST
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