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Since you seem to make a purely numeric argument (a thing I normally do not like to do), I will proceed to do the same and offer you my point of view.

According to the numbers published in the spanish press, the numbers of people killed in Iraq exceed those in Darfur.

The number of people killed in Darfur is a very difficult number to grasp because of the difficulties in the reporting. There is a huge difference among different estimates

Actually, the number of deaths in Congo are larger. the number of people dead in the outskirts of Rio de Janeiro and in Colombia (due to coca gangs financed by the "war" on drugs) are roughly those of  the number of people dead in Darfur.

From different reports in the Spanish press:

Iraq from 30000 to 100000 people dead (lower estimate belongs to the US)
Area of Congo estimates are around 20000 (the great unreported war, estimates from UN members and journalist extrapolations, wild unknown guesses)
Colombia plus Rio around 10000 (other drug related crime in all South America will increase that number by a factor of 2, without counting people dying directly from overdose or taking cocaine in bad estate. These data come from official sources)
Darfur.. estimates vary between 5000 and 20000 people (5000 from local organization and 20000 for those claiming a genocide-style killing happened some months ago).

And in this list, I have only included people dead in "wars". By far, the worst problem is the 500-800 million people in misery with problem to get food who died becasue their inmune system becomes too weak.

So, yes I think we should have a stronger say about the huge underated and undereported war in Congo...This said, of course, I think we should talk more about conflicts around the world...starting with Congo, followed by the legalization of drugs... followed by a number of conflict in Africa, including Darfur.

But priorities number one are still hunger and Iraq. Second comes Congo and drugs... Congo is definetely undereported in this site and all the western press and concience. Regarding Darfur, in the present situation of ceasefire, I think it is properly addressed in this forum. Another spike in the number of deaths should be for sure addressed here. But more kids die of hunger in Africa in any given day than in the ceasefire (even if it only partial) in Darfur

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by kcurie on Sat Dec 17th, 2005 at 01:38:35 PM EST
As far back as 2003 the WHO was reporting 70,000 dead just in a 7-month period in 2003.  The US State Department has given a figure of 60-160,000.  The Coalition for International Justice, based on extrapolations from refugee interviews, has estimated 400,000.

See this Washington Post story for details.

Iraq doesn't even come close.  I hate to say it, but it appears that because the Iraq situation can be so easily blamed on the Bush administration, it gets a lot of play.  Darfur is the fault of the Sudanese regime, and it simply isn't as fashionable for western progressives to criticize, despite being one of the world's most odious governments.

by tyronen on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 03:46:31 PM EST
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Thank you very much, tyronen.

I agree with your analysis, obviously.

I guess I don't tell you anything new with the following comment re:

"simply isn't as fashionable for western progressives to criticize"

In my humble opinion: Real progressives do not care about fashion, but about progressive causes.
Those who care about fashion are "champagne socialists."

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by Atlantic Review (bl -at- atlanticreview dot org) on Mon Dec 19th, 2005 at 05:01:46 PM EST
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