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If the people that control the dirt your pipe runs through don't want you to use it, you have real problems.

Ukraine has boths ends of the pipe by the short and curlies.  They have 3 choices.  Take Ukraine by force, pay whatever they charge.  Find another way to sell/buy gas. Not very good choices really.

by HiD on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 07:39:39 AM EST
A friend made a good comment on this...W. Europe is Russia's customer...does Russia want to piss off its customer? Doubtful.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 10:40:21 AM EST
Theoretically.

But Russia doesn't have a long history of acting in its own best interest.

Or of good customer service.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 01:08:31 PM EST
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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 12:39:44 PM EST
Oui, I have to let a primal scream at you, for consistently writing my first name with an odd number of accents... . Please use the even versions: Jérôme, the right one, or Jerome, the tolerable English version.

Good job on your diary otherwise.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 01:52:30 PM EST
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it is ... Oui!

Not always available on every keyboard:
so I need to memorize - é Alt 0233 and ô Alt 0244.

I think I've got it.

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For if it prosper, none dare call it treason."

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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 03:04:32 PM EST
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I'm not quite as sanguine as you. I'd grant that a tipping over into full blown crisis - i.e. Russia 'cutting off' Ukraine by reducing supplies, Ukraine responding by still taking 'its' share from the Europe bound gas and then a full cut off is unlikely, however, I don't see it as completely implausible.

We're not in the early nineties here. The Russian leadership has changed. Putin is not Yeltsin and is much more interested in reestablishing hegemony over the former parts of the Russian empire, he is also quite a bit more ruthless, and Russian public opinion is more likely to be solidly supportive (and if not, it is in any case a lot less significant).  A second factor is Russia's economic position. In the early nineties it was quite shaky, now it is in very good shape. As a result the immediate economic impact on Russia of a short to medium term cut off of gas (say a few weeks to a few months) would be minor. In the longer term Europe would be rattled and wish to reduce its dependence on Russian fossil fuel, but considering the supply situation, that isn't that easy, and the Russians are also looking at expanding markets in Asia. On the other side the immediate impact on Ukraine would be devastating. Same goes for Poland which also has very poor relations with Russia. The impact on other European countries - the ones Russia is cultivating - would be unpleasant, but far less severe.  

All of that is a long way of saying that a Russian decision to cut off gas is both politically and economically all too possible.

by MarekNYC on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 04:31:07 PM EST
and I am preparing a much longer post to explain why.

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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Dec 30th, 2005 at 04:55:17 PM EST
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