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I think we agree that it's dangerous because of its historical grounding (I didn't see your upthread remark until after I posted).

I'm not entirely sure I understand your statement:

"Israel really is the last time that Britain got away with what they wanted."

I don't know the history of the region in great detail, but as I recall, Jewish organizations waged a fairly bloody campaign against the Mandatory government in the years following WW2 (prime minister Menahim Begin was involved in a hotel bombing that claimed over 90 lives).

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by dvx (dvx.clt št gmail dotcom) on Fri Dec 9th, 2005 at 06:47:17 AM EST
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According to Wikipedia the UK was not part of the committee that drafted that plan, and abstained in the vote at the UN Assembly. However, Britain had been pushing for the return of the European Jews to Palestine since the min-1800's, and encouraged Jewish migration after the British Mandate of Palestine was established.

I suppose it's hard to attribute what the British Empire wanted so I shouldn't have said that.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 9th, 2005 at 06:57:01 AM EST
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My grandfather was in the that particular Hotel bombing ( The King David Hotel ). He spent five months in hospital after that.

The British government used troops who had spent most of their war in the far east ( my grandfather spent a good deal of the second world war avoiding capture ). This was so they would not be too "soft" on the Jews emmigrating from Europe.

At the time the Arab League were using availability of oil to make threats to the British.

At the same time Jews, in Poland who were returning to their homes form the camps were the victims of pogroms by their old neighbours.

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by RogueTrooper on Fri Dec 9th, 2005 at 07:05:49 AM EST
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it's dangerous because of its historical grounding
If you think about this, it is a pretty sad thing to agree about.

Santayana's dictum that those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it is often quoted. For my part, I think history is too often just a list of grievances, and that remembering history all too often just leads to re-enacting it with the roles of victim and executioner reversed, adding an item to the list and waiting for the next repetition.

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by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Dec 9th, 2005 at 07:29:56 AM EST
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