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I've always wondered if the feds are gonna hold that against me someday ;-)

I mean, combine that with my subversive political leanings, experience working with nuclear waste, and firearms collection (which, of course, will remain in the U.S.), and I'm a walking PATRIOT Act target!

Sorry for the silly comment.

As for the chemistry, here's triacetone triperoxide (click to enlarge the image):

See the oxygen-oxygen (O-O) bonds?

That's the "peroxide" part of the molecule (hydrogen peroxide is H-O-O-H), which is what makes it an explosive.


by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 06:31:57 AM EST
Sorry, my preference was engineering calculus and physics.  First confrontation with chemistry was at college level, I still don't understand how my classmates survived my lab experiments!

I got a passing grade though, more likely to prevent me from spending any additional time in the lab.

Thanks Page for elaboration on the chemical formula. Apparently well known by terror groups and the anti-terror units in Israel, UK and western world. Who mixed the ingredients? From general available knowledge of Triacetone triperoxide, or TATP, the investigation could NOT point a finger towards Al Qaida!

"Although made with easily obtainable ingredients, the explosive is also very unstable and will explode from contact with a cigarette or an electrical discharge. Keinan noted that Palestinian terrorists have been known to make the explosive in their own apartment buildings."


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by Oui (Oui) on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 07:34:31 AM EST
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I had to take a hell of a lot of calculus and physics, because I needed the background for thermodynamics (we called it "thermogoddammits") and quantum mechanics.

As for explosives, I would expect that the al Qaaqa explosives are being used in Iraq and possibly elsewhere in the world.  There was enough missing to supply bombers for decades.

And I'll remember your friend's place, as well as the code word!

by Plutonium Page (page dot vlinders at gmail dot com) on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 08:21:49 AM EST
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I went to a tech school that had a fair number of chemists and pyro's. Some folks at my wife's dorm would make cafeteria trays full of something they called acetone peroxide (most likely a less technical name for the same stuff we are discussing) and make large bangs or blow traffic cones into the air with it by applying an electric charge. This was mostly pre-9/11. The university started cracking down on explosions and fires after one got out of control. My understanding (I was not involved) was that it was volatile, but pretty easy to make.
by toad on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 12:45:17 PM EST
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should conclude at dorm was an indication of an AQ affiliated cell developing!

No one else has the chemical formula.

At last we have the London link to Abu Musab al-Zarqawi! Now we can focus the investigation on AQ.

  • Qaida al-Jihad claims London bombings


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  • by Oui (Oui) on Fri Jul 15th, 2005 at 01:51:38 PM EST
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