The limits of Europe | 64 comments (64 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: I didn't mean it like that (none / 0)

OK. Now, at the same time, the Church's power was already shaken by Protestantism (the Schmalkaldic League came just a year after the first attack on Vienna).

BTW, there were several further Ottoman attacks aimed at Vienna, but those were grinding down at some castle along the way. (The second got the furthest, in 1532, when such a delay let Emperor Karl V collect his troops, and the Ottoman armies turned south and laid waste to Steyerland instead.)

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 11:05:08 AM EST
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Of course (none / 0)

Protestantism was the biggest threat to the Church. But of course, Turkish Muslims invading Catholic lands couldn't have helped them retain power.

BTW, correct me if I'm wrong: didn't the Ottomans have a plan to invade Italy, only to have it cancelled because of the 1683 defeat at Vienna?

by DH from MD on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 11:31:43 AM EST
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Re: Of course (none / 0)

This could certainly be the case, but I only know that they were at war (for the upteenth time) with Venice at the time.

BTW, the Ottomans actually conquered a bit of Italian territory, for one year: a part of the heel of the Italian 'boot', with the city of Otranto, in 1480.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 11:37:55 AM EST
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Re: Of course (none / 0)

What about Sicily? Wasn't this traded back and forth between Moslems and Christians?

by guleblanc on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 11:59:42 AM EST
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Re: Of course (none / 0)

Yep, but that was long before the Ottomans.

In the 10th or 9th century (I read of this when JPII died), there were Moslems even on the Italian peninsula - but were fought back.

_{*Lunatic*, n.

One whose delusions are out of fashion.}

by DoDo on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 04:20:07 PM EST
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Sicily (none / 0)

The muslims were thrown out of Sicily and Malta by the Normans in 1088-1091.

In 1565, the Ottomans, under Soleyman the Magnificent, tried to conquer Malta to get a stronghold in the Western Mediterranean and a base to conquer Italy. Thanks to the Knights of St John of Jerusalem, led by the Grand Master Jean Parisot de la Valette, they were defeated...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 07:27:59 PM EST
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