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"Remind me how much of France's, Germany's and Britain's populations are Muslim?"

Could you remind me how well they mix ?  Turks in france,Germany,Dutch made a country in the country.

it's foolish to want this huge non-european country in europe.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 07:13:53 PM EST
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Only a fraction of the European Muslims come from Turkey.

And a significant part of the muslims mix quite well...

"Dieu se rit des hommes qui se plaignent des conséquences alors qu'ils en chérissent les causes" Jacques-Bénigne Bossuet

by Melanchthon on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 07:37:59 PM EST
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sorry but Turks do not mix at all !!!! alsace, germany or Dutch, the problem is still the same, and for wedding they systematically import from Turkey the other conjoint.

i am currently living in australia, i read a study about how the population mix (means inter-cultural wedding) in Australia and Turks were the worst : did not mix and same until 3rd generation !!!!!!

to compare French mix pretty well and as soon as the first generation ;-)

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Tue Jul 5th, 2005 at 08:52:45 PM EST
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I'm sorry but you're a racist asshole.

Most Turks mix very well. The fundies who close off are at most 15%. You should visit Germany for a change.

The funny thing is, what hinders integration is often the stumbling blocks built in by nationalist governments, governments that didn't want to admit the reality of immigration and wanted to maintain the illusion that every foreigner is a guest worker who'll return 'home' - even if that 'foreigner' was born say in Essen.

So it happens that the best players of the Turkish football team actually learnt their trade in the German football leagues.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Jul 6th, 2005 at 05:59:20 AM EST
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What you're saying about the Netherlands is dead wrong. It is the Maroccan community that has the largest problems to intergrate and causes the majority of problems in the country. The Turks are doing, far and wide, juse fine and peachy.
by Nomad on Wed Jul 6th, 2005 at 09:38:49 AM EST
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Actually I believe he's pretty much correct. And take note noone was even arguing allowing Marroca join the EU, so comparing it with how much worse a job Morrocans are doing integrating is pointless.

But regardless of that, I wouldn't be suprised the reverse would actually be true. The thing I think you're confusing is crime statistics and integration.

by Nussbaum on Thu Jul 7th, 2005 at 10:26:14 AM EST
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