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Thank you for this excellent diary.

Sine I began visiting this site, I have noticed that there is now very little American news about Europe.  Or about any foreign affairs in general, unless Rice or Rummy visit somewhere.  Aside from the Middle East, the only time I see our MSM prominently cover an in International story is when there is some awful tragedy, such as a famine or plane crash (and yes, there was a sorry attempt to turn the "No" vote into a tragedy too).  Which only reinforces the belief that we should just be glad we live in America.  (And I have to say, even the BBC World News, which many Americans watch, seems to be slacking off a bit these days...)

It is kinda creepy.  I remember my childhood in the American heartland being filled with news about Russia, Poland, Germany, (then) Czechoslovakia, etc..., Glastnost, Perestroika, the Berlin Wall, buzz about this whole EU thing, and gobs and gobs of Euro-Pop music.  What happened?  When did we become such an isolated, self-centered, Europe-hating country?  

I cannot help but suspect that we are following in the footsteps of so many other awful regimes, not letting our citizens know what is going on in the rest of the world, particularly in Europe, so that they don't realize how bad they have it.  Because that would put a bit of a damper on the myth that we are the Greatest Country in the World.  Sure, the enlightened class, the well-educated and moneyed people living on the coasts and in the cities are well aware of what's happening in Europe.  But the rest of America, those folks who voted for Bush, not only do not know, they don't care.  

Their interest in Europe ends where the US of A came in and saved your asses from the Nazis (this kind of history buff is common throughout America.)  Plus, these folks often do not have the money or vacation time to travel to Europe, do not have the language skills to read your newspapers because foreign language education in America is a very very low priority, do not have the intellectual curiosity to care because intellectual curiosity is scorned here, and lastly, a lot of them do not realize the Cold War is over and they continue to associate unions, universal healthcare, and any kind of social investment or redistribution of wealth as smacking of Communism.

I don't know what we as Americans can do to change this.  That is, I think it will have to get worse before people get upset enough to make some serious changes.  They need to feel like they are being short-changed.  Americans hate that.

That's where you come in.

Make this new "European Dream" a success story.  Despite everything I said above, it is a small world and nothing can stay a secret for long.  Eventually, word will get out.  And eventually middle America will start making demands.  Our sense of entitlement is obscene.  Lead the way, and I bet we will follow.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 10:33:02 AM EST
It has always annoyed me, as I wrote in another diary, to see what "international news" meant, as per CNN made in London. The Near East (Israel- Palestine) is there pretty much all the time, then whatever's the current US war (Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq to name the latest), and whatever big catastrophe or unusual climatic phenomenon can bo found around the globe. Almost nothing of substance on policies. Economics is the value of the various stock markets or whatever big M&A transaction which big numbers. Once in a while, you get the "postcard" version of some serious topic - the healthcare system of country x in 2 minutes...

And there isn't much more on the Pacific Rim countries, so it's not even like it's just a focus on a different region.

The USA have both the best informed people on the planet and the least informed, just like they have the richest and some of the poorest (for the West anyway). Europe is no less contrasted, but it is certainly less unequal.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 11:40:40 AM EST
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All countries have some disparity between the rich and poor, the educated and uneducated.

But America really is becoming more and more like 2 different countries.  I get more culture shock when I go back home to my rural midwestern hometown than I do when I go to ... well, Europe.  Probably because I expect it when I go abroad and don't when I go home... which makes it all the more shocking.

And uhm, we generally don't get any news about your healthcare systems...  Hardly surprising.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 02:21:28 PM EST
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What happened?  When did we become such an isolated, self-centered, Europe-hating country?

It was when the Cold War ended, and the European Union was no longer of any use to American foreign policy -- and was even an obstacle.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:22:09 PM EST
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I think it is more complicated than that.  It may have begun then.  And it was certainly solidified with the lack of European support for the war in Iraq.

But something significant happened in those interim 10+ years.  I don't remember any political animosity toward Europe under Clinton.  Nothing on the radar.  In fact, that was the era of the birth of globalisation and the Internet.  If there was any prevailing sentiment during the 90's it seemed to be one of the world getting smaller and more progressive.

Politically, yes, Europe stood in the way of Bush's policies.  

But there was a cultural change in America that exacerbated any policy differences. I think it was a combination of the "greed is good" mentality of the 90's, the Christian Right's victory during the Clinton Impeachment (he was voted out of office), and the attacks of 9-11, which radically altered the mindset of Americans, made them afraid, disoreinted and extremely defensive.  We became financially corrupt, socially regressive and militarily reactionary while Europe was creating an economic model of cooperation, becoming more socially progressive and enjoying (outside the Balkans) an era of general peace.

You could say we grew apart.  Iraq simply illustrated this.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 02:07:36 PM EST
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The startegic rift between Europe and US opened up in 1990's because common enemy -USSR- was gone. There was no longer any overwhelming strategic imperative for Europe to follow (no matter how grudgingly) US policies.

It is good to remember that US and European policies in number of international issues were allready different during Clinton regime. For example US and european policies in human rights (vis a vis death penalty), international court system, international environmental policies were all very different. Similarly policies towards Israel's actions were also quite different.

The real reason why US-European relations appeared successful were that Clinton's skilled use of both internationalist and unilateral approaches to foreign policy. US did had its head most of the time but did not antagonize nor demonize its European allies. The rift became open because Bush has been rejecting this kind of diplomacy and replaced it with more unilateral policies (that were evident from his early days as president).

Socially US has also been moving different from Europe. There has been discussion of "New England's European Culture" being replaced with "Cowboy Culture of South" in US. Meanwhile the older generation whose memories are ruled by WW2 are being replaced with never generation looking more national (and nationalistic) cultures in Europe. While this is perhaps somewhat exaggeration the generational change of guard happening in 1990's to now is reality.

US historical perspective is shorter and more triumphant so belief one's perfection (and subsequently rightneousness) is stronger. Memories of failures were certainly fading (I noticed this reading US Army manuals where Vietnam was not mentioned as war US Army had been gaining experience at all!!). Triumphalism and national chauvinism were certainly rising allready in Clinton era but it was accepted in Europe as US behaved then acceptably (see above to methods used in Clinton regime's foreign policy).

Finally, there has been studies of early Bush II foreign policies and I personally found out that US was officially changing its strategic priorities from European centric strategy towards Pacific centered strategy (Rumsfield authorised series of reviews and parts of them were leaked to press). The goal then was to make China new opponent (as new USSR) but this was moved under carpet soon after spyplane incident. Then 9/11 happened and US policies were totally moved towards new Middle-East policies. Afganistan invasion was carried out practically unilaterally (despite offers from NATO countries to participate) and the breakup was total with Iraq where combination of bad foreign policies and mistakes led to breakup between France and US (there has been rumours that spite was due diplomatic errors but I quess I have to wait decade or two to learn the actual truth).

by Nikita on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 02:52:41 PM EST
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right. I was simply noting a decisive moment, a point where things tilted in the geopolitical sphere. All the same, that has its importance, because the MSM are in the hands of power, and the MSM feed popular perceptions. So certain reactionary tendencies have been, let's say, allowed to flourish over the last fifteen years.

But that's not the whole story, since those reactionary tendencies are unfortunately in evidence elsewhere in the world, in Europe too. People feel threatened and insecure and batten back on to identity politics -- mostly national and religious chauvinism. What distinguishes the US, imho, is that you have a pretty huge stock of unregenerate heartland reactionaries who were just waiting for a little encouragement to come out and take front centre stage...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Fri Aug 19th, 2005 at 03:00:00 AM EST
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well said poemless!!

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Thu Aug 18th, 2005 at 01:35:28 PM EST
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