Blair's troubling stance on deportation. | 7 comments (7 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

by Eternal Hope on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 10:16:19 AM EST

Signatory EU Convention on H.R. (none / 1)

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Very fortunate for all Brits, the UK is EU member and bound by the Convention on Human Rights.

Britain's ability to deport foreign nationals has been hampered by human rights legislation. As a signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights, Britain is not allowed to deport people to a country where they may face torture or death.

On the other hand, the UK as well as the Netherlands, have been harboring suspected terrorists for decades.

Right-wing UK radio station broadcasts hate attacks on Muslim MP in Denmark.

What about the other side of the coin?

EU and UK support of Israeli occupation of Gaza and West Bank

Illegal act of war - Iraq invasion and Fallujah war crimes.
Equal under law, any (foreign) national in support of Blair's policy will be deported?

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UK Faces Terror Risk Because of US Alliance ¶ Chatham House Report
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Amnesia and Gaza Genocide

by Oui on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 10:56:18 AM EST

Blair's response: (none / 1)

He is already drafting legislation to back his rules if such deportations are challenged in court. As of right now, he has not stated how far he would draw the line or how his plan squares with the Convention.

Iraq War news and comment.

by Eternal Hope on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 11:31:40 AM EST
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Re: Signatory EU Convention on H.R. (none / 1)

I think they're banned in Germany.(Tried to download a Verfassungsschutz document which a google of Hizb al Tahrir + Verbot turned up but the huge pdf doc crashed Adobe) France expels radical imams. In general much of Europe has laws against hate speech, you don't need to actually advocate violence to be engaged in criminal speech. So the only real issue here is whether or not the people in question are likely to be tortured when they get sent home. But that is a practical problem of the implementation of the law, not something which would make the law illegal per se.

by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 06:14:01 PM EST
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banned in Germany (none / 1)

in 2003as a 'Islamist organization with a clear anti-Jewish ideology' (islamistische Vereinigung mit deutlich anti-jüdischem Gedankengut). According to the same source it calls for fighting the 'Jewish infidels'
http://www.stura.uni-leipzig.de/~farao/gruppen/hizbtahrir.htm

In general equating ultra radical organizations like this one with mainstream US fundy Christian ones like Focus on the Family seems deeply misguided to me. The American mainstream fundies bear a lot more resemblance to moderate Islamists like Qardawi or Sistani than they do to the friendly totalitarians of Hizb al Tahrir. By that I mean that they believe in democracy but one where the 'true' religion plays a major role, particularly in legal norms regarding personal life and morality. Something rather different from the outright rejection of Democracy as an inherently evil ideology because it gives sovreignty to the people rather than to god, or rather his representatives on earth.

by MarekNYC on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 06:30:23 PM EST
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Hizb-al-Tahrir is much more blatant. (none / 1)

FOTF plays a lot more lip service to democracy even as their proposals would end it or weaken it. Hizb-al-Tahrir, on the other hand, makes no secret of its detestation of Democracy and its misguided desire to replace it with an Islamic fundamentalist state.

Iraq War news and comment.

by Eternal Hope on Sat Aug 6th, 2005 at 02:02:51 AM EST
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Terror - No Justice - EU Negligence (none / 1)

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RAF terrorist Knut Folkerts <video> killed Utrecht policeman Arie Kranenburg in cold blood in 1977, a second policeman was severely wounded. Folkerts was sentenced in The Netherlands to 20 years imprisonment, later extradited and handed to German authorities because of his involvement in RAF terror and the murders of Judge Siegfried Buback, bank director Jürgen Ponto and president employers-union Hanns-Martin Schleyer. Folkerts was released from prison in 1995 - German Justice has forgotten about the 20 years Dutch prison sentence. Since his release, Folkerts has traveled across the open borders in the European Union with impunity. He has been sighted in Utrecht, where Justice would like to apprehend him and put him away for many years.

Joke Kranenburg is understandably angry that RAF terrorist Folkerts is walking free, her husband shot to death at the time his son was 22 months old and Joke was pregnant of a second child. Dutch Justice did not follow through on the conviction in Germany, nor were they informed when Folkerts was released in 1995.

NRC Handelsblad -- Rote Armee Fraktion
The RAF was a left-wing terror group, also known as the Baader-Meinhof Group. The movement started in the student protest groups of the sixties, resistence to capitalism and opposition to ex-Nazis in high positions in German society.

Knut Folkerts belonged to the second generation of the RAF. In the fall of 1977, he was responsible for a new wave of terror violence in Germany. The three persons in high position were murdered in execution style atacks.

The Dutch authorities had expected the RAF terrorist would receive a life sentence for his deeds and stay imprisoned. Reality is often seen to be played by its own rules, justice not well served.

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Amnesia and Gaza Genocide

by Oui on Fri Aug 5th, 2005 at 01:53:08 PM EST

Blair's troubling stance on deportation. | 7 comments (7 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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