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I've now followed links to half a dozen different German electoral sites.  None feature national vote totals (only national exit polls, predicted Bundestag seats, and -- very occasionally -- local vote totals). Even local/Staat vote totals are a bit hard to find.

Now I know that the national vote total is not the way this election is decided. But neither is it the way we decide our presidential elections, yet we display national vote totals all the time.  What gives? Why are we still seeing (what appear to be modified) exit poll numbers?

by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:20:02 PM EST
The percentages that are being bandied about here are all from the actual vote count. We in fact already have a "preliminary official" (i.e., certified) result - I just posted it upthread.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:22:37 PM EST
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Well a number of sites (e.g. Deutsche Welle) are still listing their results by exit poll projection (as late as 21:06).

And none of the sites I've been to show national vote totals in terms of number of votes, just percent (though I believe you that the latest numbers, such as the ones from Yahoo.de are from actual counts, not exit polls). Nor do these sites indicate how many votes have been counted and how many are left to count.

by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:37:10 PM EST
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all votes are counted except Dresden 160
by PeWi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:39:02 PM EST
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do you mean the total number of individual votes each party got?

if you are looking for that, well I cannot really help you but I can say , that there are 61,597,724 people eligible to vote out of which 78% went and voted and 34.3 of those voted SPD and 35.2 voted CDU.

There is a proportional representation in Germany, You can almost say every (second) vote counts the same way.

I found your site:

by PeWi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:38:02 PM EST
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Now that I've found them, let me ask again: why aren't these numbers featured more prominently in election coverage?

This is really, I think, a question of the culture of election reporting, which varies widely from country to country.

I've noticed that in UK election coverage, for example, there is enormous emphasis placed on "swing" (percentage change from one party to another...reported in these German elections, but less prominently; and even less prominently reported, at least on election night, in the U.S.), as well as what the British somewhat misleading call "majority" (which we in the U.S. would call margin of victory) in each constituency.

by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 07:54:03 PM EST
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Yeah, I find the swingometer ludicrous,

again, Germany has proportional representation, that means the percentage is sufficient, you know there are about 70mio eligible to vot, you know there were 80% that went to the election and the SPD got 34%, get you own calculator.

The whole election is mouch more straight forward, because every (second) vote (almost) counts the same unlike the US or Britain

by PeWi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 08:04:06 PM EST
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Because you don't have a pure PR system, that first vote matters, too. And yet, as far as I can tell, what gets reported upfront is just the percentage of Zweitstimmen, no?
by GreenSooner (greensooner@NOSPAMintergate.com) on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 08:12:04 PM EST
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that's right. The percentage you get is the second vote, but the distribution of seats includes the first vote induced overhang votes (and I have see this in the past as 315+3 or some such
by PeWi on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 08:19:13 PM EST
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This may sound stupid, but I'm guessing we just don't see the point in dealing with very large numbers - percentages are so much easier to process.

If you can't convince them, confuse them. (Harry S. Truman)
by brainwave on Sun Sep 18th, 2005 at 08:11:43 PM EST
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