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Impressive diary... by the way.. One day someone will have to make the numbers and show that 500 gr of meat per person per week can be safely produced in a non-industrial way with no harm to the environment...
Of course, if you eat 500 gr you have to eat all kind of plants and beans...if you eat 1 kg per week you are also on safe ground and you can spare some vegs.. If you eat less than 500 gr then you have to take care and eat some secial plants and vegs to compensate...
Going higher than 1 kg.. well.. all the reports I have read (most of them produced in England and Scotalnd) show that it is not necessary and even, some defend, really harmful.
Great diary and thread...
I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact.
Difficult to be sure but generally an order of magnitude analysis should be enough...so that, at least, it is just small as hundreds of other variable that already present in nature and can affet the system....
Not an easy think to compute but some people were trying.. the human footprint and all that stuff
It's making me crabby.
u r what u eat <snark>
'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
Average amount of meat consumed by country (in kg per person and per year), for the EU-15:
The Danes are world leaders in pork production and consumption too. There are more pigs than people in Denmark.
A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
Anecdotally, when I was at a bed-and-breakfast in Dublin a few years back, I had a chat with a contractor who also ran a family-owned cattle ranch in the USA. He said he supported my vegetarianism as probably healthy, and said that he kept two cows "out of the herd" at his ranch for his family's yearly meat consumption, since he didn't want his kids exposed to the antibiotics and growth hormones with which all the other cattle were injected. It was his opinion that the massive meat-eating in the USA was responsible for the increased height of the kids and the earlier and earlier onset of menstruation seen in girls here.
I personally try to limit my eating of cheese to that which is imported from Europe, in an effort to avoid the hormones and such that are injected into the cows in the USA. I recall that Dr. Benjamin Spock, author of the best-selling how-to books for raising babies in America, in his later years said he had decided, based on all the available evidence, that cow milk was not healthy for infants
Also, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine [http://www.pcrm.org/ endorses a vegetarian diet all the way. And sorry for no citation, but I saw a Discovery Channel or some other science show about ten years ago that reexamined the evidence for whether humans were omnivores, and showed that a case could be made that the incisor teeth were needed for breaking into certain roots and such and that early tools were less for animal-hunting weaponry than for preparation and cultivation of other foodstuffs (sorry my memory of this is so sketchy!)
Anyway, I certainly don't intend offense to any meat-eaters, having been one myself and still occasionally having some (but not after this diary, which has done much to remind me why I became a vegetarian in the first place) but I wanted to share some bits of pieces I'd heard regarding the subject of whether one can be healthy with/without meat.
Also, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine [http://www.pcrm.org/
(don't know why part of my post is coming out in blue type, not something I did on purpose, but I don't know how to get rid of it!)
Karen in Austin
'tis strange I should be old and neither wise nor valiant. From "The Maid's Tragedy" by Beaumont & Fletcher
First, I thought it was clear from my post that meat is not necessary at all...my statement is quite clear...meat is not necessary but is highlty reccomended in low doses. If you do not eat meat there is no problem, you just have to look for special vegs to cover a couple of oligoelements and one vitamin. Tofu is one of the vegs that covers it.
That said...leaving out fruit or vegs or beans or fish is mucho more problematic (probably in the same order as I write it here)..and a lot of peple leave them out...
In other words a veg diet without taken care of the extra needed vegs is bad... but not as bas as a diet low in fruit , beans or vegs.
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