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Wouldn't this mean that "nurture" still plays as large a role as "nature?"
I really think that is a dangerous road to go down. Ultimately we are all responsible for finding our own happiness, but I am suspicious of any implication that suffering is a sign of some inherent genetic weakness in the person who suffers. Maybe I overreact, but it sounds too much like the old way of explaining women's "irrational" emotionality on their sex and not their social predicament. Might be half true, but conveniently sidesteps any discussion of the fact that they might have something to be legitimately unhappy about. Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
I had something pretty severe wrong with me which could have been corrected at an early stage. Instead, first because of no insurance and then because of no one listening and lastly because of mis-diagnosis, I ended up being in an urgent surgical situation and it didn't go well. But during this four year ordeal, it was suggested more than once that it might be stress or depression and I was treated like an uncooperative patient because I wouldn't go on anti-depressents.
I wasn't even depressed! And then they just tell you it's a symptom of severe depression to not know you're depressed!! It was like a bad Kafka story. Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
But also look at the whole Oprah, self-help fad. Dr. Phil is the worst. Maybe they think they are being empowering, but I don't care if you are living in poverty, lost you kids in a freak car wreck, or are a victim of incest, absolutely everthing is treated like a problem that is just a weakness of the person suffering, that can just be solved by keeping a journal, redecorating, finding your dreams, getting a new house, and just deciding to be happy. I am sorry, it is sick.
Everyone who has a bad day is diagnosed with depression, a medical ailment, a brain disorder. God forbid anyone be unhappy. If you are unhappy, you are malfunctioning and must be fixed. Obviously, sometimes this is the case, but sometimes it's ok to be unhappy. It's even healthy.
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Is this happenning in Europe? The mass drugging and arts&craftsing of society in order to eradicate "unhappiness"? Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
There is a great South Park episode where they decide to give all the kids in the school prozac or whatever other drug to cure them from ADD and they become like zombies. I may not be remembering correctly, but I think the black cook saves the day in the end. A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
BTW, kids with ADD are a growing "market." Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
This has largely been talked about in right-wing circles since, y'know, education is a "librul" thing. This is exactly the sort of issue that the Republicans grab on to and use to great effect in demonizing the left on a local level, even though the school boards are packed with right-wing fanatics and they operate like small dictatorships. It would probably be a good move for us to get on top of stuff like this. Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
I had one of those moments the first time I was telling someone that Angelina Jolie was a UN Goodwill Ambassador -- I stopped myself and went to check. Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
You'd probably tell the school to go fuck themselves and put your kid in private school. :-)
You don't have to worry about this as much with a girl. Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
It becomes a class issue. A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
Well, there are the side effects (like an educated populace and independent thinking), and there are all the people who work at it who truly believe the stated purpose of their work, but from a systemic point of view that's been the historical role of universal education. A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
To me, these are some key aspects of our day to day lives that need changing, that cause a lot of daily turmoil and undue stress (and, hey, did you know stress is a major cause of depression?), and perhaps can both explain what "our problem" is and serve and a cautionary tale. Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
In Bartels' defence, science is not (always) about that; it's about finding stuff out that are interesting, finding new frontiers. There is little knowledge, apparently, on how the biological component influences our psychological state. Personally, I find that fascinating and would want to know more what's going on there.
I see it like this and I make an analogy to my reaction to REACH, the legislative approach in Brussels to make companies test their chemicals thoroughly before they are put in consumer products. My first response to REACH was, "Oh no, there we go again with the aspartan angst and all the public legends." But thinking about it a little more (and also interacting with others), I came to the conclusion that it was far, far better to know more about all the consequences of chemicals than to not know, and take the hysterical reactions (which I believe would undoubtedly come) for granted. In that respect, I view this research somewhat similar. I'm more inclined to know than to not know.
Consider though. There's growing evidence that the occurrences of asthma (and allergies) are linked to certain foodware, and especially emulgators, flavour extracts etc. But that's not enough to explain it: there must also be a genetic variation that makes some people more susceptible to responding to these foodwares and cause an increased risk in getting asthma. So if this is true (it hasn't been proven), this is a two-pronged problem: genetics and environment. But it will undoubtedly help if the specialists can determine how large the influence is of the genes in this. I think the same can be true for the problem of depression: if you are genetically "weak" in happiness, you would be more susceptible to the environmental/nurture factors. That doesn't eradicate the legitimacy of their unhappiness.
Last point, as I said to whataboutbob as well, I find it interesting that many in this thread immediately lodge onto the downside of the issue, literally. Can we equal a lack of happiness immediately to depression? I doubt that, but I'm not an expert at all...
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