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Re: Happy Genes (none / 1)
Not that I didn't know any of this, but the way you put it, it sounds ominously like Brave New World. Have you had your soma tablets yet?

There is a great South Park episode where they decide to give all the kids in the school prozac or whatever other drug to cure them from ADD and they become like zombies. I may not be remembering correctly, but I think the black cook saves the day in the end.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 04:48:34 PM EST
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There's a muscle relaxant here actually named Soma.  I had to take it once for muscle spasms and I was... amused I guess, but not without reservations.  I was wondering if the manufacturer had a twisted sense of humor, or was simply clueless.

BTW, kids with ADD are a growing "market."

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 04:59:39 PM EST
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It's scary. I wonder what I would do if a school psychologist tried to diagnose prozac for a child of mine... Isn't it that case that there is legislation in the US (or it is in the works) that will make it impossible to refuse such medication?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 05:16:52 PM EST
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Impossible to refuse it?  I should think you have the right to refuse whatever you want.  Don't parents have the right to choose what treatment is best for their children?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 05:29:15 PM EST
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Re: Happy Genes (3.66 / 3)
Actually, Migeru was right -- there were some school districts that were saying if you didn't medicate your kid on their advice, they could kick the kid out.  I don't know all the ins and outs of the legislation or how widespread it was, but some states and, finally, the federal government passed bills disallowing schools to do this.  

This has largely been talked about in right-wing circles since, y'know, education is a "librul" thing.  This is exactly the sort of issue that the Republicans grab on to and use to great effect in demonizing the left on a local level, even though the school boards are packed with right-wing fanatics and they operate like small dictatorships.  It would probably be a good move for us to get on top of stuff like this.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 05:51:37 PM EST
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Thanks, Izzy, I couldn't locate my original (online) source and I began to think I was having a tinfoil moment.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:00:34 PM EST
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I know -- it all sounds so preposterous you start to think "could that possibly be?"

I had one of those moments the first time I was telling someone that Angelina Jolie was a UN Goodwill Ambassador -- I stopped myself and went to check.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:04:39 PM EST
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I think this likely varies from state to state, and country to country, but in California a person can even refuse medication who is in a hospital on a 5150 hold (non-voluntarily because they aren't safe in public), so unless a doctor goes to a judge and can prove that there is a real need for someone being forced to take medications (again, their own safety), and then the judge can give a waiver, that must be periodically re-visited (I'm foggy now...every 14 days?). It is about protecting the patient's rights.  I'm curious though, if this exists in other countries...hadn't ever thought of that. What are people's rights in this regard, under EU and international laws, I wonder...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Jan 27th, 2006 at 04:28:31 AM EST
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I wonder what I would do if a school psychologist tried to diagnose prozac for a child of mine.

You'd probably tell the school to go fuck themselves and put your kid in private school.  :-)

You don't have to worry about this as much with a girl.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes

by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 05:58:37 PM EST
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To tie back to our parallel discussion of the job market and Walmartization, what if you can't afford a private school?

It becomes a class issue.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:02:29 PM EST
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Definitely.  Private schools are very expensive.  Poor people often have zero choices.  You're not allowed to go out of district, and in this sort of situation it's a district decision so swapping to another school isn't an option.  For lesser problems, that's often not an option for transportation reasons.  These are the kinds of issues that the folks behind the charter and voucher programs are making hay out of.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:08:05 PM EST
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Interesting.  If you can't afford a private school, not fru fru prep school, but the local Catholic school, say, then you probably can't really afford shrinks and designer drugs either.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:08:12 PM EST
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But what if the school psychologist is your shrink and the designer drug is paid for by the local board of education?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:10:20 PM EST
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That's one of those scenarios that makes NO sense but it probably true, eh?  Most schools don't have enough $$$ for updated textbooks or enough teachers.  But they have enough for prescription medication???

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:13:28 PM EST
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Schooling has never been about education, it has been about indoctrination, training a workforce/bureucracy, and increasingly and recently, just penning children like cattle to free their parents for work.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:16:50 PM EST
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That's a bit of an overstatement.  And a great disservice to all of the amazing, dedicated teachers out there.

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:26:39 PM EST
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My parents are both amazing, dedicated high-school teachers, so I got an inside view of the transformation of Spanish schools into cattle pens.

Well, there are the side effects (like an educated populace and independent thinking), and there are all the people who work at it who truly believe the stated purpose of their work, but from a systemic point of view that's been the historical role of universal education.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:30:26 PM EST
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Exactly.  Medi-care and Medi-caid would cover the drugs.  It's actually a bigger problem with poor kids than affluent ones.  There have been stories about parents being coerced with benefits and custody issues as well.

Maybe we can eventually make language a complete impediment to understanding. -Hobbes
by Izzy (izzy at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Jan 26th, 2006 at 06:17:04 PM EST
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