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Anti-russian means

  1. Unfavorable to the Russian state.

  2. Negative about the leadership of the Russian state.

  3. Negative about the Russian people.

You see, I'd tend to choose (3). I suspect you might choose (1),(2) and (3).

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 11:31:43 AM EST
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All of your choices come down to the same thing in a democracy.  The people choose the state and the people can remove a leader whom they no longer trust to run their affairs.
by slaboymni on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 11:50:04 AM EST
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In an ideal world, maybe. In a world of mass media controlled by the people who are running the place and people too busy to fight through the information, no. And there's nothing stopping the people mistakenly trusting a thief and a liar. Happens all the time.

You're proposing that criticising Bush is anti-American, that criticising Blair is anti-British and that criticising Chirac is anti-French.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 11:56:08 AM EST
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You're proposing that criticising Bush is anti-American, that criticising Blair is anti-British and that criticising Chirac is anti-French.

No, just the opposite actually.  I'm proposing that each one of the peoples you mention bear a certain measure of responsibility for the leaders they have.

by slaboymni on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 12:02:14 PM EST
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Yes, a certain measure which depends on how close to some sort of ideal democracy the state is.

But to say that criticising the leader of the state is the same as criticising the people of the state is naive. Blair wasn't reelected because the British public approved of his stance in Iraq, he was reelected because there was no viable alternative on offer. When I call Blair an arrogant liar I'm not anti-British, I'm anti-Blair. When someone criticises Putin he's not anti-Russian, he's anti-Putin. He may feel it was a mistake for the Russian people to appoint Putin, but that's another matter entirely. That doesn't make him anti-Russian. I'm not arguing whether the author quoted above is pro- or anti-Russian by the way, just the more general point.

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 12:21:29 PM EST
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Granted.


I'm not arguing whether the author quoted above is pro- or anti-Russian by the way, just the more general point.

I'd be curious to hear your opinion, though.

by slaboymni on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 12:27:07 PM EST
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Certainly anti-Putin, not very nice to the Russian establishment. I wouldn't have said anti-Russian exactly, though some of the "even Russians who ..." are certainly borderline.
by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Mon Jan 9th, 2006 at 12:40:16 PM EST
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