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I've kinda decided I'm just not gonna bother flying for a while. And certainly I ain't going to the US till they come to their senses. Thing is; I think a lot of people are quietly coming to the same conclusion.

It ain't worth queueing for 3 hours to take a two hour flight. So all of these airlines that are currently complicit in this nonsense will see their passenger numbers fall. That will be okay for the US airlines cos they're all Chapter 11 anyway, but in europe the bottom will fall out of the airline market.

Could the disproportionate response to terrorism actually be good for global warming ?

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 05:28:03 AM EST
For the past couple of weeks you've been throwing around your prospective US trips and I was telling myself you couldn't be serious.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 05:36:13 AM EST
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Well there's always a sea passage. Cunard still has a couple of westward passages slated for this season...

Regards
Luke

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by silburnl on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 06:26:35 AM EST
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Well I did want to, but the moment I started getting onto the planning I remembered the hassle I was going to face and went off the idea.

keep to the Fen Causeway
by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 09:10:32 AM EST
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What is the hassle level to get into the US now? Do you have to get fingerprinted? It's hard to keep track of what is going on as it changes so rapidly and security is far from uniform.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 01:56:29 PM EST
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Two years ago, everyone who needed a visa was already being fingerprinted and mug-shot. I presume by now everyone, even the ones on the Visa Waiver Program, are having to go through that. And the US keeps increasing its demands in order to preserve the waiver (like having the airlines violate the EU's privacy protection laws, and changing the format of our passports).

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 02:33:12 PM EST
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Well, I was wary before my trip to Las Vegas last June (admitteldy before this summer's "liquid scare") but it went surprisingly well. US security levels are barely reaching those we've been used to for years in Europe.

And I did both an international trip and a domestic one, and it was pretty similar in each case.

Admittedly, on the international leg, I has access to the business class counters despite flying economy (thanks to my frquent flyer card) and that really shortens the wait at the counter.

But it's not unpleasant yet, unless you're specifically targetted for more invasive stuff.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 05:53:12 AM EST
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which is why some experts (accurately) describe our security as a system to irritate people rather than to protect them.

I find what we have a joke compared to what Heathrow had during the "troubles".  

by HiD on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 06:23:48 AM EST
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I am with you Helen - I haven't been to the US since 01 and there will have to be a very severe and important reason for me to go, though I can not think of one right now that would be important enough. If the democrats win, I might reconsider, but even that has to been seen, as I am not sure they will make such a big difference to the US foreign policy and seeing how European Governments are getting more hysteric too.
by Fran on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 08:36:34 AM EST
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there will have to be a very severe and important reason for me to go, though I can not think of one right now that would be important enough

I was just saying the same thing to my husband yesterday and today we got an invitation to a dear, dear friend's wedding in the States. Oh well, it's in the spring, perhaps everything will be different by then.. :-/

You have a normal feeling for a moment, then it passes. --More--
by tzt (tzt) on Mon Oct 2nd, 2006 at 09:33:39 AM EST
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