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My personal choice would be DSK first, Royal second. Fabius, yuck. Do we get Fabius the neo-liberal? Fabius the neo-populist bullshitter? Or maybe just the same old Fabius the pure cynical opportunist, wannabe left wing version of Chirac? Enarquie at its worst - genuinely intelligent believing in nothing hard working cynical powermongers. (Though I have to say, after almost six years of Bush Chirac isn't looking as bad as he used to)

I disagree with Jerome about Le Pen. He thinks that if Le Pen got forty percent then he problem would have been taken seriously. I think that it would have meant even more pandering to the extreme right on both mainstream right and mainstream left. Accompanied of course by constant pious denunciations of Le Pen himself.  

by MarekNYC on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 05:59:58 PM EST
Whoa, we agree totally on Fabius.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:03:58 PM EST
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Any Fabius supporters out there to defend him?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:04:39 PM EST
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Nope.

I will vote Le Pen in the first round so that it's Royal - Le Pen in the second (tactical vote). Then Royal in the second.

Kidding, I'll vote Royal all the way, regardless of her shortcomings.

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:41:49 PM EST
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There is a slim chance that tactical vote would give you Sarkozy-Le Pen, depending on how internecine PS warfare goes between now and the Spring.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:44:39 PM EST
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And I also would never have the balls to take that risk, even if it was proven to me by Andrew Wiles that it would work.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:47:22 PM EST
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Then again, let me see. If all the 2002 guilt-ridden voters of the then "alternative left" massively vote for Royal this time, she'll be far ahead of Sarkozy. And if Sarkozy is estimated at 30% and Le Pen +20%, it just might work if I could convince everyone I know, and they could convince everyone they know etc, to do the same.

No, no, there is just no way in the world.

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:49:29 PM EST
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Which reminds me of a story. In 1995, this quite anarchist(ic) friend of mine had decided to randomly pick a candidate (shuffling the ballots upside down in his hand), and had told everyone that it had fallen on Le Pen ... and despite his hatred of the man, he had to stick to his anarchist theory/desire, and had voted for him.

But he recently confessed (a decade later) that he had been pulling our leg all this time, and that he had indeed randomly picked Le Pen, then promptly concluded that this was a stupid tactic, and then voted for a candidate of the Left (but he didn't tell us which one).

And to think that for a decade I told this story to countless leftie intellectuals, as it was meant to embody anarchism at its worst. The lies, all the lies ...

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:54:29 PM EST
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Perhaps we should establish a law by which any Blank vote prompts a machine to randomly pick a candidate to replace the Blank ballot ... imagine how screwed up that would be. Parties would then have to have really really serious campaigns and candidates, to reassure Blank voters into voting (for fear of not being elected, due to random picks of obscurantist pro-life creationist parties).

The Blank vote would finally mean something.

by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:00:02 PM EST
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Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:03:09 PM EST
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Excellent!
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:05:04 PM EST
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Hmm, it could work the other way around though. ie. encourage Blank voters not to vote Blank.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:04:00 PM EST
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If the blank ballot spaces have the majority, the position should be left unfilled. There should always be a "none of the above" option.
by asdf on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 11:03:00 PM EST
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Well, that will teach you try to draw conclusions from anecdotal evidence. Obviously this had nothing to do with any serious interpretation of anarchism; the guy is merely a stupid liar.

Maybe it's because I'm a Londoner - that I moved to Nice.
by Ted Welch (tedwelch-at-mac-dot-com) on Thu Oct 5th, 2006 at 06:15:05 PM EST
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Try not to insult my friends.
by Alex in Toulouse on Thu Oct 5th, 2006 at 07:45:19 PM EST
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lol. Back in 1992 I did something like that in the primaries - voting in the Repub one for Buchanan. (IIRC I didn't have to even reregister since the RI primaries were open) But that wasn't a general and I didn't have strong feelings in the Dem primary. That period was also one of the rare times I voted for a repub in a general - I figured that given the choice between a corrupt, mobbed up, torturing (personally) Dem and a generic Repub I'll take the Repub (Mayor Buddy Cianci was out of prison for having a cop hold down his wife's lover while he beat him with a hot poker and put cigs out on his eyelids in his earlier stint as mayor, he won anyways, supposedly helped by a big turnout in the cemeteries up in the Italian neighbourhoods, but is back in prison now on racketeering charges).
by MarekNYC on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:58:34 PM EST
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No.

He's a fake lefty.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 5th, 2006 at 01:58:04 AM EST
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I hear what you say about Le Pen... My opinion of Chirac isn't really worse now than then and I'd end up voting for him again, I guess

I'm really pissed off with Fabius because for purely opportunistic reasons he gave legitimacy to the "non" campaign and helped it win. As you may have noticed, I'm still violently pissed at that vote, and thus at him for enabling it - in a way that had zero chance anyway of getting him anywhere anyway: he'll get his 15-20% of the party vote at most (even if Jospin supports him, as he's apparently decided to do)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:27:18 PM EST
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The real danger with Fabius is that he decides to be a renegade candidate anyway, outside the party. He'd get a couple per cent at most, but that could be enough to damage the official socialist candidate.

I wouldn't put it past him after the past two years.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 06:58:49 PM EST
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I also wouldn't be surprised at all if he did that.
by Alex in Toulouse on Wed Oct 4th, 2006 at 07:06:27 PM EST
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What information do you have on Jospin's decision to back Fabius?

Le Chained-Up Duck?

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 5th, 2006 at 02:00:08 AM EST
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I think so. I don't have the copy with me right now, but I think that's where I saw it.

Another disappointment from Jospin.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Oct 5th, 2006 at 04:11:05 AM EST
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I have now grabbed a copy and updated the diary.

Petty and extremely disappointing of Jospin.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Thu Oct 5th, 2006 at 06:32:38 AM EST
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