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You can blame Bush, but this is a bipartisan scam. The Dems in the farm states are promoting this nonsense too.

Just realize that from this day forward everything that is said and done in the US is with an eye towards the 2008 elections. The Dems need to get some items passed that they can point to as accomplishments over the next two years, while the Repubs need to appear to still be in control of the agenda.

Jerome, you should have learned that the entire US population is in a state of denial from your posting about raising a gas tax the other day. Nothing meaningful will happen until we have the "Katrina" of fuel supplies, whatever this will turn out to be.

Keep pointing out the folly of the proposals, however.

Is there any reason that the EU can't take the lead on "energy independence" internally? Reforming the energy equation would give Europe a competitive edge over other areas as the cost of energy goes up and spills into every other sector from manufacturing to farming. Having already made the transition to sustainable use Europe's costs would be lower and thus their exports more competitive.

Perhaps a diary on what steps are needed in Europe?

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 10:20:45 AM EST
Is there any reason that the EU can't take the lead on "energy independence" internally? Reforming the energy equation would give Europe a competitive edge over other areas as the cost of energy goes up and spills into every other sector from manufacturing to farming.

Yes, yes, exactly. There will be no hope of improvement from the States, but just sitting here waiting for them to take a lead is simply pathetic.

We can work towards our own version of "Energy Independence". I think we are pushing at an open door on this one as the recent issues over gas suppplies (real or contrived) have made the European political establishment wary of single source suppliers.

keep to the Fen Causeway

by Helen (lareinagal at yahoo dot co dot uk) on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 10:32:29 AM EST
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There is hope of improvement from the US (no certainty, but hope), but it sure would help to have a bigger "Energy Independence Gap" to point to.


I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 11:15:33 AM EST
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  1. Ag subsidies are indeed a bipartisan scam (we should know, it's mostly the same over here). That's why I'm so worried to see that this might be the only concrete thing to happen (for public discussion purposes anyway) on the energy front.

  2. 2008: are you telling me that it's already too late to speak about policy because it could threaten chances of victory? ;-)

  3. Europe. The task at hand is just as gruesome, and I'm still not sure how to get it started. But yes, your suggestion makes sense.


In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 10:37:41 AM EST
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2008: are you telling me that it's already too late to speak about policy because it could threaten chances of victory? ;-)

No what I'm saying is that no politician will say anything of substance over the next two years (especially if it implies taxes or sacrifice). There is no reason why the blogosphere can't keep the issue moving forward. There have been successful grassroots movements in the past (like the 40 hour work week), just not recently (in the US).

Why can't all of you based in Europe put together proposals similar to the effort you did for the US? The first step might be an energy inventory. For example what are the actual amounts of energy that could be generated from existing technologies if they were fully implemented?

How much wind, tide, solar, coal, nuclear, etc. is realistic over, say, the next 20-30 years? How much energy use will there be given current trends, and how much could conservation change this?

Even if the answers turn out to be unpleasant, it is better to face them now and start to adjust goals than to just throw up one's hands at the size of the problems.

Policies not Politics
---- Daily Landscape

by rdf (robert.feinman@gmail.com) on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 11:32:00 AM EST
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Energy policy is vital, and hence absolutely not an EU issue but a national one. On top of that it is a highly emotional issue (Austria: NO NUKES!, France: ONLY NUKES!). Furthermore, many EU states have completely opposite national energy interest. Just compare the position of Poland and Sweden versus Germany and France on the Nord Stream (Baltic sea) gas pipeline.

Another problem is that all EU commission energy policy has the sole effect of making everything worse by implementing purely ideologic neoliberal contraproductive policies.

So leave energy issues to the Member States. Those who have succesful policies will be role models for the others to follow.

Of course, volontary cooperation is a great idea. That's what EURATOM is for.

Peak oil is not an energy crisis. It is a liquid fuel crisis.

by Starvid on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 02:36:10 PM EST
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Another problem is that all EU commission energy policy has the sole effect of making everything worse by implementing purely ideologic neoliberal contraproductive policies.

So leave energy issues to the Member States. Those who have succesful policies will be role models for the others to follow.

There will be an EU energy policy, so you're better off trying to steer the process of adopting one than dismissing it off-hand on the asusmption that Sweden is going to be allowed to develop ts national model and serve as a role model to the rest.

Most of our economy/finance ministers are neoliberals anyway.

The EU's Energy White paper is expected in December. We'll see how much neoliberal nonsense there is in it, and how much resistance national governments put up.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Nov 10th, 2006 at 04:17:36 PM EST
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... the dreaded "s" word.

First a bunch of foreign policy stuff on the "we're better than that" theme, including a good helping of feel good stuff to convince the folks assembled that there was this time that America did all this good stuff and we have to go back to that. And then,

6:00 to 7:01. John Edwards NH AFL-CIO, American Labor Day

"... If you say that we can solve this problem with just that, its not the truth ... and we know its not the truth. Its time to call on America to be patriotic about something more than war. We ought to ask the American people to sacrifice for the good of their country, for the good of their children and their grandchildren. We can't continue to drive around in vehicles that get 10 miles to the gallon [4.2 km/litre]. We can't continue to consume energy, the way we are today.

And we, our party, we need to tell the country the truth about this, and lead it in a different direction."

I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.

by BruceMcF (agila61 at netscape dot net) on Sat Nov 11th, 2006 at 03:52:52 PM EST
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