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Using one highly contentious individual as a sign of a "noted record of Anti-Semitism" amongst the French Greens is a pretty dubious claim to make.

It's the first I've heard of her, so her role is not very public. And you mention procedures to get rid of her, which seems to show that her positions were not tolerated within the party.

That accusation ("noted record of Anti-Semitism" amongst the French Greens) sounds like the rightwing propaganda coming from the US and Israel that wants to make France appear as anti-semitic in as many ways as possible because it is (in general) critical of Israel and some real antisemites can be found in the country.

This is not serious.


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by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 06:45:42 PM EST
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in particular.

I have worked with the Greens in Australia and globally for decades, and the trial and expulsion of Ginette Skandrani made a lot of news within Green circles and was outlined in an article in the June 30th, 2005 edition of Liberation under the title of: "Une verte trop brune exclue du parti".  The link is here.

This article does note that her role in the party had gradually reduced in recent times, but her outlandish politics may well have been a main reason.

Also I qualified my comment to state:

Unfortunately the French Greens have a noted record of Anti-Semitism within part of its ranks.  Probably I should characterise it as more Anti-Israel or Anti-Israeli Government, uncritically only seeing Israel or its Government as merely an extension of the USA military establishment.  Again this is not peculiar to France, Green Parties in other countries have had this as well to a more or less extent.
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While I agree with you that the party has dealt with the situation very well, the fact that two co-founders have been expelled for the same reason does point to a real and noted undercurrent even if not a particularly powerful or successful one.

I am also not sure if the French Greens are powerful or large enough to warrant much/any focus from "rightwing propaganda coming from US and Israel", but honestly I do not really know. I have never seen any overt examples of it in relation to the French Greens although the story is a bit different in relation to the German Greens who, due to holding the balance of power with the SPD, have borne relentless propaganda attacks from rightwing forces outside Germany.

I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

by Norwegian Chef (hephaestion@surfbirder.com) on Sat Nov 18th, 2006 at 08:19:54 PM EST
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if the French Greens are powerful or large enough to warrant much/any focus from "rightwing propaganda coming from US and Israel"

We are all, constantly, permanently, the focus of "rightwing propaganda coming from US and Israel". The main intent of which is to disqualify Europe (the EU in particular) from having any influence on what happens in the Near East, above all the Israel/Palestine situation.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 08:51:29 AM EST
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Secondly, the Wikipedia article on the French Greens seems tendentious to me in that -- speaking of a party that has shared government and is therefore not without a history of some interest -- it consecrates no more than two sentences to the government period thus:

Dominique Voynet was to lead the party into government for the first time, joining Lionel Jospin's Socialist Party (PS) and the Communist Party (PCF). Voynet was rewarded with the cabinet position of Minister for the Environment and Regional Planning, before being replaced by Yves Cochet in 2001.

In general the party's history is sketchily covered. Yet "Skandrani's expulsion" takes up a full section and runs to about a quarter of the entire text about the party. All this for someone who is quite unknown to the public and never held any position, founder member or not. The same can be said of Pierre Brière, totally unknown Green expelled many years before Skandrani (1991). (I strongly suspect the Wikipedia article of having received the attention, quite precisely, of propagandists who want to blow up this affair out of all proportion).

Let me be clear. I am greatly angered and dismayed by Holocaust deniers and consider the French Greens quite right to exclude members who gave their support to any of these. But the two individuals in question are of no great importance. Making out the Greens have issues with anti-semitism is akin, as Jerome says, to making out France is an anti-semitic country, that Europe has not dealt with its anti-semitic past, etc : these are propaganda talking-points originating with the Zionist neocon right.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 09:31:22 AM EST
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for the information.  This is not in any way a major point so I am happy to defer to you and Jerome here.

Most Wikipedia Green Party Pages are edited and monitored by the various Green Parties themselves.  Although I have no idea who in fact does the editing for the French Greens article. If it seems imbalanced as you point out, you may want edit it/ or get them to edit it, to present a more balanced picture of the party.  More information on their accomplishments and key policies would be helpful in the article. Since anyone can edit a Wiki article it is easy to do.

I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

by Norwegian Chef (hephaestion@surfbirder.com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 04:06:26 PM EST
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You're right, it isn't a major concern. I think the French Greens looked after their French Wikipedia page, but seem to have failed to take a look at the English one.
by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Sun Nov 19th, 2006 at 04:12:15 PM EST
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To supplement Jérôme and afew:

the fact that two co-founders have been expelled for the same reason does point to a real and noted undercurrent

Since the French Greens were born in the fusion of two earlier ecologist movements, "founder" describes not a select few but a lot of people.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon Nov 20th, 2006 at 05:48:20 AM EST
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