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One big question for me over the "poisonings"-thingies in general is why should any national secret service, and in particular, that of a large and militarily-scientifically advanced nation such as Russia (which could if so inclined presumably draw on highly-efficient personnel and methods - that is, if it should decide that certain adversaries were becoming a serious threat to vital national and/or internal-political interests) use such picturesque but extremely/suspiciously inefficient, blatant and adverse-publicity-generating "hit methods"?????

Writing from Italy with an eye to our not-so-distant past but also with a beady eye to more recent international goings-on including some US/UK "mysteries", the classic secret-service hit-methods both at home and abroad would seem to be far more discrete and effective - the commonest being of course faked car-accidents, faked suicides and mysterious "disappearances"... all quick and simple enough to execute, I'd say if carefully prepared they'd take no more than a 4-man hit-team plus a small logistics support-team?

So why on earth - if it really felt it had become necessary to physically eliminate a minor Berezovski-gang conman - or even an "orange" Ukrainian politician - should Russia now favour such Conan-Doyle-style weirdities rather than more efficient, less backfire-prone "standard issue" covert-op hit-techniques??


Other big question is of course "why now?" - and the timing-factor, at least to me, seems likewise to weigh AGAINST against the poisoning being ascribable to the Russian government, as it occurs in a geopolitical context of agitated US/UK attempts to isolate Russia from Europe and prevent political/economic convergences of interests... and in particular, it was simultaneous with the Polish attempt to block the new EU strategic agreement with Russia on energy ties etc.

So it came at a time when Russia itself could be presumed to have an interest in avoiding spectacular adverse publicity in Europe... and its "anglosphere" opponents seem to have a no less marked interest in stirring up anti-Russian opinion-waves?

Which of course doesn't mean I'm accusing the CIA, MI6 or other western services of being involved either directly or indirectly in the poisoning, as the Berezovski-entourage certainly keeps strange enough company of its own, of a kind prone to settling scores in... call 'em "ethically-challenged" ways? ... but it could at least partly explain some of the odder aspects of the MSM coverage?

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami

by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 12:48:52 PM EST
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I really enjoy your way of thinking and questioning.  It makes me come up with even more questions and theories, but I´ll just wait for the real thing.

Are the twins involved....?  

Our knowledge has surpassed our wisdom. -Charu Saxena.

by metavision on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 01:34:19 PM EST
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Haven't the faintest idea! Deciding that a story - as told - "smells fishy" is one thing, getting anywhere near identifying the "real fish behind the fishy-smell" is quite another. Italian experience is that sometimes (but by no means always) some kind of truth - or at least a reasonably credible approximation - may come out years and years later thanks to stubborn, truly dedicated judicial and/or journalistic investigations... that's probably the best one can hope for.


I'd been kinda-hoping the "Italian connection" aspect was kaputt, letting our national reputation (or what's left of it) off the easy way - but no such luck! The "latest-latest" is that Scaramella has dramatically changed his story, says that the email he travelled to London to show Litvinenko wasn't a list of "Russian secret services agents" likely to have been responsible for Politkovskaya's death - but was instead about  death-threats against Scaramella himself, which he now says were from "organised criminals in St. Petersburg",sent through a source he says Litvinenko had introduced him to! 8O  

ROME, Nov 21 (Reuters) - A contact who met Alexander Litvinenko, the Russian ex-spy whose poisoning has sparked accusations of a Kremlin assassination plot, said he showed him an organised crime hit-list earing his name on the day he fell ill.

Mario Scaramella, who has helped Italy's parliament investigate Cold War-era Soviet espionage, said he met Litvinenko at a London sushi bar to show him emails from a mutual source warning their lives may be in danger.

The threat came from organised criminals based in St. Petersburg, possibly acting on behalf of Russia's government, Scaramella told Reuters. His source suspected the same criminals killed a Russian journalist last month.

Both dismissed the four-page warning as unfounded, he said, adding they were both accustomed to hearing of possible threats.

"I said Alex, I received an alarm in the last few days from a source that you introduced to me," Scaramella said, speaking to reporters in Rome in English.

"He said: 'It's unbelievable. Don't worry about that'."

Scaramella, who describes himself as a consultant but is also an Italian judge [ huh???? ], refused to speculate who was behind the poisoning. But he said the email warned the threat was from the same criminals who killed Politkovskaya.

It included targets in Britain, Italy and elsewhere, and included the names of at least one Italian senator.[huh? - wanna bet he means his mate Guzzanti??]

"Stranger and stranger" - as Alice in Wonderland used to say. :?  

But I must admit this version sounds slightly more convincing than the previous one. Maybe the Italian detectives-or-whatever now said to be investigating on "our" side - who will have only-naturally asked to examine Scaramella's famous e-mail - have warned him to cut at least some of the crap??

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami

by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 04:49:20 PM EST
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Curiouser and curiouser.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 05:02:25 PM EST
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To borrow a Copaco remark by both the right and the left after Pio Pompa's audition, I wouldn't believe Scaramella even when he says his name.
by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 05:37:02 PM EST
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Organized crime never writes up hit lists. They just do the job, the less said the better.

Guzzanti is already under escort for alleged threats. Why anyone would ever remotely considering knocking off a crank who churns out preposterous conspiracy theories is curious. He's too good to be true. Comedy relief.

by de Gondi (publiobestia aaaatttthotmaildaughtusual) on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 05:53:51 PM EST
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Unless he double-crossed the Camorra???

"Ignoring moralities is always undesirable, but doing so systematically is really worrisome." Mohammed Khatami
by eternalcityblues (parvati_roma aaaat libero.it) on Tue Nov 21st, 2006 at 07:01:32 PM EST
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