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And one last comment. Behind Ciutadans there is a group of justice pro-Franco intelectuals belonging to the Law faculties in the catalan university. The main driving force behind Ciutadans is the hard-core right...wiht the hope that some day they can get votes from PSC. On the social-economy front it is not clear if they are center or left or right, nobody knows what they stand for beside trying to erode the left spanish speaker front in the future

WTF are Arcadi Espada and especially Albert Boadella doing in Ciutadans, then?

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  • Ciutadans parece que obtiene una mayoría de sus votos en los graneros del PSC (primer cinturón, o cinturón rojo, del área metropolitana). L'Hospitalet, Cornellà, Santa Coloma. En todos, el retroceso del PSC está muy correlacionado con el voto a Ciutadans. Sus 3 diputados son de Barcelona.
  • PERO cuando miramos sólo Barcelona, Ciutadans obtiene más votos cuanto más rico es el distrito: en los barrios obreros, de 'inmigración', obtiene un 4%, mientras que en los de clase alta supera el 6%. Y de manera progresiva (voto ciutadans -> renta). En estos casos, el PP retrocede en favor de Ciutadans.

  • Ciutadans appears to obtain a majority of its votes in the granaries of the PSC (the first belt, or red belt, in the metropolitan area). L'Hospitalet, Cornellà, Santa Coloma. In all of them, the retreat of the PSC is veri correlated with the vote to Ciutadans. Its 3 representatives are from [the constituency of] Barcelona.
  • BUT when we look only to [the city of] Barcelona, Ciutadans obtains more votes the wealthier the district is: in the working class neighbourhoods, those of 'immigration', it obtains 4%, while in those of upper class it exceeds 6%. And progressively (vote to ciutadans -> income). In these cases, the PP retreats in favour of Ciutadans.
  • Don't ask me why people call Catalans Polacos [Poles], it's one of those Spanish things...

    Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
    by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 at 10:54:53 AM EST
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    Arcadi is spanish nationalistic...also Boadella...but they have distanced themselves a little bit, they like the idea of the party but not the elite which is presently behind it. So, they will support it fromt he distance.... and I will not be surprised if Arcadi ends up in la COPE... Boadella is always  a mistery.

    PP also lost votes in the red cities. PP vote is very loyal.. still they lost 80 kvotes.. the same number that voted for Ciutadans.. I would say that more than 3/4 votes of ciutadasn come from PP... may be 4/5. But in the future, of course, they want to get votes from PSC... they need a trojan horse.. someone that can appear in the catalan media and defend more spanish nationalistic positions from a psuude-left.. like the Green party in the US funded by the Republicans. But the start-up of the party are the COPE listeners..most of them spanish speakers in the red-cities. COPE listeners hate Pique, the catalan PP president.

    In the future of course, they could mobilize the left-vote.. specially without Maragall.. the only no-charnego (and chernego for that matter) who spent all the weekend for a decade living in red spanish-speaker neighborhood among inmigrant families. And with M. de Madre out because of the serious illness she has... I predict tough time for PSC in Catalonia..and for Zapatero. I would call it the MAragall blunder... who was the stupid!!! IT is like Chavez in Andalucia. The PSOE vote is A Zapatero-Chavez vote, and in Catalonia  it was a Zapater-Maragall vote... you get rid of one.. you get rid of the hegemony.

    A pleasure

    I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

    by kcurie on Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 at 11:28:49 AM EST
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    Don't ask me why people call Catalans Polacos [Poles], it's one of those Spanish things...

    Perhaps for the same reason those ion Barcelona call the Arab slum the Barri Xine, trans. Chinatown.

    Arab, Chinese, once you cease to be white Europeans, the rest all look the same. Bleck!

    And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

    by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 at 12:10:56 PM EST
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    The Barcelona slum has been called Barrio Chino before there were any Arab immigrants in it.

    Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
    by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Nov 2nd, 2006 at 12:46:11 PM EST
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