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I think we disagree on the final aspirations for both hunting and animal testing, even given long time phasing out schemes. A debate on this one day would be useful. I'm of the opinion that a total ban on hunting will ultimately be more harmful to the diversity of the environment than well endorsed regulated hunting.

I'd appreciate it if you'd refrain from calling Fortuyn a fascist. It's a cheap shot - even if you strongly disagree with his views, they were not explicitly fascist, but largely based on the belief of cultural insurmountabilities. Quite a difference. Whatever the man was, he does not deserve that kind of label. He was murdered because of that stigma and it has brought the Netherlands only political instability.

by Nomad on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 07:10:31 PM EST
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more complicated than being able to justify any one label, depending on how you define fascism, some of his his policies  certainly had fascist elements (although he apparently was once a Communist).  But it largely comes down to a matter of semantics and definitions.  There is a great deal of good editorial out there on just what Fortuyn was (pro, con and neutral), and much of it is framed as to degree of fascism (or not) within his policies.  So to let him completely off the hook with some of his right wingnut ideas and somehwat brutal political style is also unfair. But I agree that it is all an arguable point.  

But to me the more interesting question is what motivates or drives right wing people like Fortuyn and Wilders in the absence of a driving religious obsession or major economic force. They seem to have odd combinations of policies and ideas that are rarely found in successful politicians anywhere else on the globe.  It really confounds me.

I like the silence of a church, before the service begins better than any preaching. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson

by Norwegian Chef (hephaestion@surfbirder.com) on Fri Nov 24th, 2006 at 10:19:32 PM EST
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