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3 BA aircraft grounded in Radiation scare.

radiation contamination found on 2 Boeing 767's reported on ITV news, nothing on the web as yet.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.

by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 01:37:10 PM EST
Moscow is finally taking this seriously...

The Times Online: Moscow points the finger of blame at billionaire exile Boris Berezovsky (November 29, 2006)

The Kremlin mounted a concerted campaign yesterday to point the finger of suspicion at the billionaire businessman Boris Berezovsky over the death of his friend, Alexander Litvinenko, after traces of radioactive polonium-210 were found at the London offices of the exiled Russian oligarch.

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As Kremlin sources made their claims against Mr Berezovsky, a number of prominent politicians in Moscow named him publicly as a key figure in the affair.

Konstantin Kosachev, head of the Duma's foreign affairs committee, said that Mr Litvinenko was linked with "certain oligarchs, including Mr Berezovsky, who in recent years have been deprived of the chance to buy corrupt power with stolen money, and apparently cannot accept this".

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Valery Dyatlenko, a deputy head of the security committee in the Duma, Russia's lower house, told state television: "The death of Litvinenko -- for Russia, for the security services -- means nothing . . . I think this is another game of some kind by Berezovsky."



Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:05:55 PM EST
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What would be the motive for Berezovsky?

Murdering a friend seems an eccentric way to cause trouble for an enemy.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 04:04:59 PM EST
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Maybe Litvinenko had outlived his usefulness?

Very little of this whole affair makes any sense.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 04:30:58 PM EST
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I second that.

Why murder someone in such an exotic manner as to use a radioactive substance (I am no cold war spook, but there got to be less conspicous ways)? Just to pin the blame on someone else?

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 05:50:15 PM EST
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Someone is sending a message to someone else. The question is who.

But, really, I find it equally hard to believe that Putin would order London put in a radioactive contamination alert.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 06:00:03 PM EST
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radioactives are one line that governments would be worried about crossing. you would think that unless a national government was particularly  mad and scary it would be a risk that is just too big to take.

Any idiot can face a crisis - it's day to day living that wears you out.
by ceebs (ceebs (at) eurotrib (dot) com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 06:17:02 PM EST
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i think we're being softened up for acceptance of a false flag dirty bomb incident.

britain would be the first country to lock down, imo, no accident orwell and huxley incarnated there.

....never ever ever will be slaves...

latenight paranoia, sorry

those bastards are in way too deep to turn back, and all roads lead to rome, or autocracy run amok...

unless....?

too many peeps have woken up to passively accept the boot as extension of normal...

blog on...


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by melo (melometa4(at)gmail.com) on Thu Nov 30th, 2006 at 12:08:08 AM EST
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When you kill in a new and interesting manner,
no one ever forgets. This is the land of Agatha Christie, after all.

It's so bizarre it's tempting to think that there must be a sick logic to it: a punishment to fit a supposed crime.

But who knows?  Maybe it was supposed to kill him faster and they thought no one would check for radioactivity in the morgue?

by Sassafras on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 06:12:35 PM EST
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..Already in Spanish newspapers.. this is going ot hit all over Europe.

I have to say it in Spanish:

Que fuerte, que fuerte, que fuerte!!!

A pleasure

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by kcurie on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:29:49 PM EST
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How may Kcuries?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:32:25 PM EST
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ten to minus 6 or ten to minus 9 ? :)

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:47:25 PM EST
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I'm going to bet that the police tested those planes because Scaramella was on them.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:34:16 PM EST
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Hmmm, nope.

Telegraph.co.uk: Radiation detected on two BA planes (29/11/2006)

The affected flights are:
  • BA875 Moscow-Heathrow on October 25 - aircraft number GBNWX
  • BA872 Heathrow-Moscow on October 28 - aircraft number GBNWX
  • BA873 Moscow-Heathrow on October 31 - aircraft number GBNWB
  • BA874 Heathrow-Moscow on November 3 - aircraft number GBZHA
A BA spokesman said the three planes were being examined because "individuals involved in the Litvinenko case" had travelled on them.


Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:47:43 PM EST
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This is really , really, really..

pero que fuerte que fuerte...

they took a plane?????? what the fuck????

It is clear that either the FSb are a bunch of stupid dumbasses or that someon is a stupid dumbass here...for god's sake...

It looks like someone asks a cehmistry... could you that for me? the scientists do it.. and know that they are so stupid that he is a giving a time bomb..a stupid dumbass time bomb..

What they were thinking???!!!!!!

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:50:27 PM EST
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that's his two 'business colleagues' presumably who met him at the Millennium Hotel

You can't be me, I'm taken
by Sven Triloqvist on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 02:57:22 PM EST
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Dear Watson.: iw oudl say that if they do nto get ill.. we have two serious suspects...

A pleasure

I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 03:02:51 PM EST
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This piece by Justin Raimondo claims that all of the known "suspects" are avowedly anti-Putin.
Litvinenko also met with three Russians at the Pine Bar at the Millennium Hotel - one of the Russians, an ex-KGB officer named Andrei Lugovoi, was a strong-arm type in his KGB days, a bodyguard to big-time Russian politicians like Yegor Gaider. Lugovoi fled Russia under a cloud when he was arrested (and mysteriously released) after helping one Nikolai Glushkov - an associate of billionaire oligarch Boris Berezovsky - escape from prison, where he was being held on charges of embezzlement (to the tune of $250 million) and massive fraud.

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... Also at the meeting were two other people unknown to Mr. Litvinenko - Dmitry Kovtun, the business partner of Mr. Lugovoy, and another friend and partner named as Vyacheslav Sokolenko.

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Berezovsky, in an interview with the Moscow Times, seems to point the finger at Lugovoi, even as he abjures making any formal accusation

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It is going to be a hard sell, however, portraying Lugovoi as a Kremlin agent, given his past services to Berezovsky.

There is a further point, which is that the order in which Litvinenko's meetings happened on November 1st is far from clear, with different journalistic sources contradicting each other> This, however,
Whoever met with Litvinenko last is likely to be the prime suspect (or suspects), as it's unlikely he'd conduct a meeting in the midst of a vomiting fit.

It also appears that the number of meetings the victim had that fateful day was initially underestimated. The radioactive trail has led police to focus on six locations, so far, which are now sealed off and undergoing tests



Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 03:20:32 PM EST
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More stuff on Lugovoi:

Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty: Speculation On Litvinenko Killing Continues (27 November 2006)

Andrei Lugovoi, a former Russian spy, says those who poisoned Aleksandr Litvinenko could in fact have been targeting Akhmed Zakayev, the London-exiled Chechen separatist envoy.

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In an article published today in the Russian daily "Moskovsky komsomolets," Lugovoi says he is not sure Litvinenko was the target, since a lot of people want to kill Zakayev and the two men worked together closely.



Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 03:32:52 PM EST
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Raimondo also had some interesting things to say about Putin being "framed" fro Politkovskaya's murder.  So much of the information & theorizing I picked up when I was looking into that story made it eventually seem absurd that Putin would be behind it.  Same with this scenario...  Or maybe Raimondo's on Putin's payroll. ;)  (joking.)

What's really freaking me out is the radiation everywhere.  Seriously messy way to put a hit on someone...

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 03:45:41 PM EST
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It doesn't seem like a very professional hit...

The radiation tey are uncovering, if it is from polonium, is actually quite innocuous. See the diary Kcurie and polonium (by kcurie on November 25th, 2006).

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 03:49:11 PM EST
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Now I got a conspiracy theory worth the name!

It is a conspiracy by US to pin blame on Putin while subconsiously working up scare against radioactive materials. This will be used in the next fright-campaign against Iran. Aha!

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by A swedish kind of death on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 05:54:52 PM EST
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If it's a neocon plot it would explain the sloppiness in the execution.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 06:18:11 PM EST
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And the general aura of WTF?
by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 06:43:26 PM EST
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I would say that if they do nto get ill.. we have two serious suspects...

The Guardian: Spy inquiry finds radiation on BA planes (November 29, 2006)

British police have also said they may travel to Russia to interview the former KGB agent Andrei Lugovoi and Dimitri Kovtoun, Russian contacts who met Mr Litvinenko in the Millennium hotel in London on November 1.


Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Nov 29th, 2006 at 03:35:00 PM EST
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