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Ralph Nader contributed a lot to knowledge and attitudes about particular issues and facets of contemporary life and politics. As a candidate for president in 2000 he was a disaster, and his attitude and that of many Greens in the U.S. was destructive, and one of the factors that gave us GW Bush. I happen to live in one of the few parts of the U.S. where the Greens are somewhat influential and even hold some local offices. While I agree with some especially on environmental and energy issues (and even voted for one for city council; he lost) as a political party they are small, internally contentious, self-righteous and clueless, and this election they lost much of what influence they had even locally.
I'm sorry if I react strongly to the destructive side of Nader's self-righteousness, but I regard it as a tragic flaw, with tragic consequences. There's a thin line between trenchant analysis and self-righeous cynicism, and an addiction to anger--and unfortunately I've seen too much of all of it. We've been waiting for six painful years for some sign of hope here, and we've finally got it. It is a further responsibility for those of us who voted Democrat and who are Democrats to keep the pressure on these elected officials to do the right thing. But I'm not about to let cynicism dampen the energy that may yet save the future. "The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan
...and then you again go on about Nader (and that like I haven't said anything in the previous discussion). I better leave it at that.
It is a further responsibility for those of us who voted Democrat and who are Democrats to keep the pressure on these elected officials to do the right thing.
Well noted, thanks.
But I'm not about to let cynicism dampen the energy that may yet save the future.
There may be a cultural issue here. Pessimism or realism doesn't equal cynicism. My fear was actually that premature celebration and underestimation of difficulties will dampen the energy that may yet save the future. *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Apart from disagreements about the past (you're right--I brought it up again) what bothers me most about getting jumped on for this diary is that it doesn't make any extravagant promises. It points out that through the committee system of the Congress, and through the political power of a party that holds majorities in both houses, the U.S. begins to rejoin the international dialogue on problems that face us all, like the climate crisis, energy, nuclear proliferation, the Geneva Conventions, etc. I thought for Europeans that might be construed as good news, too. I don't see that what I actually wrote promises perfection.
"The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan
This is factually wrong. Greens won mayor of Richmond CA, the first city of 100,000+ with a Green mayor, and did well all across California. While they got off the ballot in three states, they gained ballot access in Illiois (the first third party since 1920). *Lunatic*, n. One whose delusions are out of fashion.
Greens also came close to allowing Republicans to keep the majority in the Senate by getting 25,000 votes in Virginia.
I've been very sympathetic to the Green Party in the past, and disenchanted with the Democrats, but the nightmare of 2000, plus a lot of personal experience, has brought me back to the Democratic party. There will be a two party system in the U.S. for my lifetime, and when the stakes are extraordinarily high in terms of the damage one party can do, it's important to work within it. Besides which, the Green Party I know is not a party. They go on about how much more virtuous they are, and stab each other in the back. I once found myself debating the guy who became their 04 presidential candidate (he wasn't supposed to be there--it was a forum about Democratic candidates pre-primary), and the guy flat out lied. The Greens here have dissolved into warring factions, subdividing an already small group. They may be no less moral than other politicians, but they will never admit that. Their self-righteousness and ideological purity paralyzes them. "The end of all intelligent analysis is to clear the way for synthesis." H.G. Wells "It's not dark yet, but it's getting there." Bob Dylan
On a more general note, I continue to protest the attitude of big party supporters that assume that certain voters' votes belong to them.
That leads to all manner shenanigans, including a Coalition (conservative) Prime Minister gaining power in part due to the preference distribution of a Trotskyite party.
Optional second preference is close enough for me ... it allows people to express their support for their preferred candidate, and also express their view on the lesser of two evils between the major party candidates. I've been accused of being a Marxist, yet while Harpo's my favourite, it's Groucho I'm always quoting. Odd, that.
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