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Seriously, what specifically do they represent that makes them objectionable?

So long as they aren't trying to compel others to renounce their faiths and join the state religion, I find that threat from traditional conservatives far less threatening than the neo-liberal threat.  I would rather argue with a man who recognizes that intrinstic value of human life, than be force to work with people who think the aquisituion of wealth is the measure of a man (and a people's worth.)

What I do think is dangerious is when you throw national identity into the mix.  Like the way that certain sectors of the PP  respond to the Basques and Catalans.  I sincerely believe the if they had the chance, there is a large minority within the PP that would justify the ethnic cleasing of populations that refused to adhere stringently to a very Castillian view of what it means to be Spanish.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Dec 26th, 2006 at 09:00:36 PM EST
The EPPers are neoliberal on the economy and neocon culture warriors on immigration and foreign policy. It was disgusting to see them wet their pants with pleasure at Israel's bombing of Lebanon.

Sarkozy, Berlusconi, Aznar, Balkenende, Barroso, Klaus, Rasmussen... Are you kidding me?

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 at 04:16:56 AM EST
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Heh, strike out Rasmussen, he's from venstre.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 at 04:18:39 AM EST
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True, but we are also judged by the company we keep.

The Hun is always either at your throat or at your feet. Winston Churchill
by r------ on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 at 08:16:30 AM EST
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And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 at 08:25:13 PM EST
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LOL

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Dec 28th, 2006 at 04:46:13 AM EST
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I think you seriously underestimate the corrupting power of our post-feudal, semi-clerical, nationalist and authoritarian conservatives. The PP is not that much of an exception as you think. (And I wonder on what you base what you think: the Italian or British or all ex-East-Bloc conservatives are positively lunatic, and the German CDU and French UMP, while more civilised, aint' that droll either.) I hate their guts like Migeru does, and more so than even the neoliberals, I guess like Marek does.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 at 03:29:46 PM EST
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They are also more dangerous than, say, the fascists of the Alliance for the Europe of the Nations because the EPP vies with the PES for the position of largest party in Europe, and right now they are.

By the way, the Tories are in a class of their own, more nasty while still mainstream conservative. There are no British parties in the EPP, because the EPP is, after all, pro-EU. However, they have no problem making a European Parliament group with the notoriously eurosceptic Tories (and the European Democrats, a shell around them) so they can claim to be the only parliamentary group with MEPs from all member states, and secure their place as largest group.

There are so many ideological strands within the EPP (Christian Democrat, Liberal, Conservative nationalist) that I can't figure our what keeps them together other than power, and meanness.

Those whom the Gods wish to destroy They first make mad. -- Euripides

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Dec 27th, 2006 at 05:18:00 PM EST
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