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When Valencians break off Catalunya?
Valencia may be part of the Països Catalans, but part of catalunya it isn't. And you should see the acrimonious debates that go on regarding whether Valenciano is a separate language, and whether Catalans want to exercise imperialism on Valencia... I mean, you really should.

Same think on whether "Euskal Herria" includes Navarra of the French Basque Country. Basque nationalist vote may be about 50% in what is now called Pais Vasco (50% in Bizkaia and higher in Gipuzkoa, but lower in Araba), about 10% in Navarra (Nafarroa) and about 5% over on the French side (Lapurdi and Zuberoa).

It's all nonsense, and at the same time it is not.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 07:13:24 AM EST
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And you should see the acrimonious debates that go on regarding whether Valenciano is a separate language, and whether Catalans want to exercise imperialism on Valencia...

This was a tactless reference to exactly that controversy, a hyperbole aimed at Catalan hyper-nationalists who'd like to create a, how do I call it, Greater Catalunya. (I used to have an on-line friend from Valencia, BTW.)

It's all nonsense, and at the same time it is not.

Exactly.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 07:35:34 AM EST
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Anyway, before Valencia can break off Catalunya, Catalunya has to annex it.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 07:37:35 AM EST
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But that's the bloody point!

To an 'strong' nationalist, that is a basic demand, just like a Basque nationalist would want the other provinces with Basque population joined to País Vasca and want that to become independent.

(Or another analogous thing, in 1848, the areas of the former Kingdom of Hungary were divided into two provinces within the Habsburg Empire, and even though in Transsylvania Hungarians were a small minority behind Romanians and Germans, one of the central - and fulfilled - demands of the Budapest revolutionaries was a union.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:09:20 AM EST
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If Spain lets Euskadi and Catalunya become independent, the joke will be on France.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:11:39 AM EST
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And there's a sizeable group of people in Navarra who feel that the region has it's own unique identity. In autonomous elections the PP doesn't run candidates, rather a regional conservative party the Union of Navarran People (UPN) runs in the place of the PP in Navarra. Ironically, if Madrid wanted to kill Basque nationalism the quickest way would be to incorporate Navarra into the Basque country.  That would ensure that the Basque nationalists could never gain a majority at the autonomic level, and keep the PNV out of government forever.  

Bizkaia or Viscaya, Dios mio funny you choose to use the Basque name.

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg

by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 11:46:31 PM EST
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I cannot write Catalunya and then Vizcaya...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 16th, 2006 at 07:00:37 AM EST
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I can't make accents of tildes to work on my computer....

And I'll give my consent to any government that does not deny a man a living wage-Billy Bragg
by ManfromMiddletown (manfrommiddletown at lycos dot com) on Thu Feb 16th, 2006 at 10:13:55 AM EST
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ñ = ñ, ü = ü, ´ = á

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Thu Feb 16th, 2006 at 10:21:38 AM EST
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