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Western Europe's national identities started to form in the 15th century and were fully formed by the end of the 17th century.

Belgian, German, Norwegian? Breton, gascogne, Sicilian, maybe even English?

Yes, I think I would stand by that, more or less. I did say national identities, not nation states. Sicily, for instance, has a distinct identity from the rest of Italy partly because it was part of the Spanish crown (along with Naples) until the 19th century.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Tue Feb 14th, 2006 at 08:10:12 AM EST
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