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Hmmm, so India and Pakistan have been at war for a lot more of the last 40 years than most people realize.

Much more importantly, there were numerous border clashes from 1971 onwards which Karsh seems to skip over, which throws some light on his (or is it your?) attempt to rewrite a definitive origin of the conflict.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Feb 17th, 2006 at 03:34:58 PM EST
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The beginning of the conflict in Kashmir began when the King of Kashmir decided to join India rather than Pakistan in 1947. That is the definitive origin of the conflict.

The Pakistanis have hated the Indians since well before independance. Aside from the Bangladeshi war in 1971, there's been a constant war on the Kashimiri "line of control" for decades. The Sichan glacier in the Himilayas was the scene of what might be termed "live fire war games" between India and Pakistan during the 1980s and '90s. Every spring the two armies would shoot canon at each other. A couple of dozen people would get killed by the other side's live fire, but for the rest, it was good training.

There were two major crises, Kargil in 1999 and the 2001-02 mini-war. I still remember a report on MSNBC or CNN at the beginning of 2002 when they had an "expert" saying--while video of two side blasting away, mind you--"If things get worse, they might start shooting at each other." Had not Colin Powell and Richard Armitage conducted shuttle diplomacy, there would have been a nuclear war.

In 1999, while Prime Minister Nawaz Shariff was visiting Washington, Clinton learned that the Pakistani General Staff was planning to nuke Indian troops in Kashmir, which was succeeding in pushing the Pakistanis out of the Kargil plateau, which they had invaded a month before. There were already thousands of casulaties. Clinton got Sharif to force the GS to stand down.

Bill Clinton saved the world that day, and nobody knows it. Whatever you think of Bush (and it ain't much in any case) He also prevented a nuclear war in 2002.

by messy on Fri Feb 17th, 2006 at 09:17:53 PM EST
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Ah, messy, you do love to lecture don't you...

It's noticeable that you skip the main point here (Iran-Iraq) particularly avoiding tsp's fine post.

As for your line:

"The Pakistanis have hated the Indians since well before independance."

it certainly sums up well the quality of your information sources.
 

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Feb 18th, 2006 at 02:41:55 AM EST
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Ah, messy, you do love to lecture don't you...

No more than anyone else around here. However I've never figured out how to post a diary...

by messy on Sat Feb 18th, 2006 at 08:40:59 AM EST
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Just in case you are not joking:

On the right hand side, above recommended diaries is a little box, headed with your username (e.g. Messy). Inside the box is a link "New Diary Entry." Click on there and it's fairly simple.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Sat Feb 18th, 2006 at 08:49:38 AM EST
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thank you very much.
by messy on Sat Feb 18th, 2006 at 04:27:05 PM EST
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