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The centrifuges are one of the warning signals coming from Iran. The official explanation is that Iran desires to control its own fuel cycle.

To give a criticism from another angle than afew, this has been the publicly stated policy of Iran since at least 1992. You may argue that it is not economic, but such an argument doesn't convince me given my knowledge of the economic irrationalism of another regime. (Hungary was supposed to become a land of steel, altough neither iron ores nor demand was up to it. Later, a grand programme to build lignite-fired power plants was started, only there wasn't enough lignite and mining it was enormously expensive.)

Iran claimed that the Arak reactor is for medical radioisotope production. The issue is that Iran already has a zero-power research reactor in Esfahan under IAEA control but is not using it actively, so their claim about the Arak reactor doesn't hold.

I don't get your argument. What does the current non-use of research reactors have to do with the use of one from 2014 on? And, as said above, as Iran wants to control the full fuel cycle, would building an own reactor with own technology and own-produced fuel, rather than just use Chinese-supplied technology and fuel, be part of that? Especially as the HWZPR is small and not fitted with hot cells.

This also brings me to the question of timing. Arak would not be ready by 2014 - and the EU-3+USA dismissed an Irani offer to suspend centrifuge enrichment for two years, provocately demanding a 10-year moratorium instead (let everything built rust, yeah that's acceptable), as well as Ahmadineyad's offer to let the enrichment facilities be run as joint facilities with foreign provate companies. Thus neither of your two fears would have had to be an issue now, or anytime when there is IAEA oversight. In my opinion, we are seeing a rush towards war, this time with wider European help (government change in Germany comes handy, and Chirac was always a cynic enough).

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Fri Feb 17th, 2006 at 05:33:33 PM EST
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In my opinion, we are seeing a rush towards war, this time with wider European help (government change in Germany comes handy, and Chirac was always a cynic enough).

Hear! Hear!

This is to me the most disturbing aspect of the whole situation, the one most reminiscent of the Iraq debacle and the most frustrating part of the debate.

I cannot deny that the prospect of Iran with nuclear weapons does not fill me with joy. However, there seems to be an enormous pressure towards military action at the moment. As with Iraq, there seems to be a lot of people advocating a timescale of action which is much more rushed than the "facts on the ground" seem to justify.

Surely even those who claim great faith in the motives of the US and EU-3 at this time would be wary, given the progress in Iraq so far, of rushing into badly planned action?

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Feb 17th, 2006 at 06:16:13 PM EST
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Especially as the HWZPR is small

To quantify this: according to the IAEA, the HWZPR has a mere 10^8 neutrons/cm²/sec flux, the Araz facility was scaled for a 10^13-10^14 neutrons/cm²/sec flux, and the latter is similar to some reactors for similar purposes, including one China built for Algeria - which is on-topic because China was in negotiations in the nineties to export a similar reactor to Iran before the USA intervened.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Sat Feb 18th, 2006 at 04:32:32 AM EST
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My issue with Iran is the two-track thing. It's heavy water or enrichment but not both.

Enrichment is legitimate to fuel light-water reactors such as the one in Bushehr. Although, as I mentioned above, it probably doesn't make any economic sense. If Iran wants to secure its fuel supply, it would be much better off by adopting a clear non-proliferation attitude and uses it to justify acquiring a big stockpile of lightly enriched uranium that would protect it from an embargo.

The heavy water reactor in Arak would also make sense if they want to develop a natural uranium track for civilian reactors (google for CANDU). But this is not what they are saying. And no, it doesn't make sense to build a new research reactor when they are not using the one they already have. Developing a sensible and useful research program is not something you pull off your ass like in "Mmmm, lemmesee, what are we going to irradiate today?"

As for Chirac, Bush, Ahmadinejad and assorted psychopaths, I play by Colman's rules of the Gnomemoot. First the facts, discussion of motivations later [thank you, Colman].

Right now, the issue I'm trying to discuss is whether or not Iran is trying to get nuclear weapons. And having looked at the available information, having run reasonable assumptions on said information, having considered the facts in the most dispassionate manner, having thought the expertise of reputable, knowledgeable and unbiased specialists, having maintained a clear-head and reasonable approach in the general assessment of the situation, my answer will be, trying to muster my best imitation of Lewis Black,

Yesssss!!! Yesssss, God damnit!!! Which part of the word "Yesssss!!!" do you fail to understand !?!?!?

[just a sec so I sponge the foaming spit which is dribbling from my mouth]

Yesssss!!! Yesssss!!! Yesssss!!!

Not that I see that as such a big problem, but that will be for another session of the Gnomemoot.
by Francois in Paris on Sat Feb 18th, 2006 at 12:19:03 PM EST
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