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I hate to sound like a "tabloid eurosceptic", but the EU really need to start from scratch without baggage (UK, Eire, many eastern countries)

Hm, what about...

Italy?

Denmark?

The pro-neoliberal hopefuls in France and Germany?

Unfortunately, there is an awful lot of baggage here for oldest members to just dream about a clean re-start because the current mess is too messy.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Tue Feb 21st, 2006 at 08:07:43 AM EST
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Italy is all for strict integration, introduce all the german and french laws, do it now, do it quick and would anyone please rule the country for us, we are tired of doing it ourselves... the economy is not as bad as greece and portugal (yet) so I don't see any problem there.

Denmark would be happy to stay out, with Norway and Sweden in that little community of them. So no problem there either.

I personally can't see why the main countries (Spain, Italy, France and Germany) couldn't just give the middle finger to the others and push ahead. They would in turn force their economic areas to get in, but on different and clear terms (e.g. Poland please don't fuck around, Ireland please leave Microsoft at the door, etc) and certainly we'd have a proper debate with no "sacred cows". As it is, we are stuck.

by toyg (g.lacava@gmail.com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 07:49:18 AM EST
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I don't see any problem there.

B.

can't see why the main countries (Spain, Italy, France and Germany) couldn't just give the middle finger to the others and push ahead.

Chirac. Merkel. Sarkozy. Koch. Push ahead in what direction?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 09:19:19 AM EST
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You forgot Aznar.

Maybe we just have to admit that we got used to a decade of strong EU construction under Gonzalez, Mitterrand and Kohl, with Delors in the Commission, and that it's natural that a period of stasis follows. Europe is not dying, it's just taking a necessary rest.

DoDo does rightly point out that the political cycle does not favour further integration.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 09:24:09 AM EST
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and Barroso...

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 09:24:33 AM EST
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You forgot Aznar.

No more in office, nor do I expect him back anytime soon. But I should have mentioned Barroso, you make my argument above much better than I could.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 09:44:16 AM EST
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Maybe not back in office, but he might take the reins of the PP back from Rajoy. It's a long time until 2008.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 09:49:34 AM EST
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introduce all the german and french laws, do it now, do it quick and would anyone please rule the country for us, we are tired of doing it ourselves...

Well, that route would get B into prison pretty soon...

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Wed Feb 22nd, 2006 at 09:45:10 AM EST
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hopefully after the general election in a few months :D
by toyg (g.lacava@gmail.com) on Thu Feb 23rd, 2006 at 08:01:51 AM EST
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