Muslim Cartoon Controversy: What the Media Isn't Telling You | 78 comments (78 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)

Re: That's the whole point isn't it? (none / 0)

The tyicall cartoon in the middle East is normally much more worst. They depict jews as being beast, and quite some of them generalizing saying that all jews are basically, well you name it.

And yes.. I am not sure if a cartoon because it is racist or anti-semitic it should be banned.

I can tell you that in Spain they are forbidden, yes. If a judge considers a cartoon or any statement blatantly racist or inciting the attack of any minority or majority it can be forbidden. There are examples of anti-semitic material banned. In a word, depicting Sharon as a killer is fine and legal, depicting jews as beasts killing innocents and commenting somehting like "all jews are evil.. all jews are evil..", yes it is forbidden. Attacks on the honour of a person would lead to fines and a "forced retraction"(they are literally ordered to pay for apologies in the newsmedia), general racist attacks and incitement lead to banning and prison.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 05:50:15 PM EST
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Re: That's the whole point isn't it? (none / 0)

Thanks for your reply! I took my anti-semitic cartoon as an example because it was one of the "moderate" ones.

And the one with Sharon (although revolting) plays directly to the person, not to the Jewish people itself, and I can see the point.

But again, it comes down to perceptions. There is a grey area in this debate; there isn't a sharp line which says: this is racist, this is incitement, and on the other side of the line, it isn't and all is perfectly acceptable. It's the same for say, the discussion on abortion: when is something a life, and when is it just a clump of cells? Who makes that decision?

The factor grey is a tremendous source of strife.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 06:00:22 PM EST
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Re: That's the whole point isn't it? (none / 1)

Absolutely right.

I will much more comfortable in this debate if either everything is legal or if non-biased could be developed. I understand tha point of the absolutists of free speech..there is no way to write a clear line on this. It is very easy on any physical attack but not on anything that hurts other feelings or incite to do something. Consistent but I am not sure if it is right.

Is it possible to have non-biased criteria taking into account all the factors??? Oh those grey areas that you name.. ohhh they are the salt of life or maybe even just life....

Take care my friend

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 06:15:01 PM EST
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And you, too! (none / 0)

See, despite our earlier promises to call it quits on this discussion, we went straight on in the next thread. There's something fundamental in this discussion that stirs many of us.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Sun Feb 5th, 2006 at 08:09:19 PM EST
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Re: And you, too! (none / 1)

je je je... I never quit it with you :) je je jejje

And you have convinced me that this grey area seems quite important to some people. I guess some people have felt hated along their lifes by other people. Maybe some of them were in the minority in the school...They had bullies...other may had problem with some organized structures or with some particualr persn...so yes... you are right....I agree with you...

Me personally have lived recently a campaing of catalanophobia by the spanish hard right-wing where some media described every single day Catalonia in racist terms and using derogatory language.. always within the lgality (well most of the time). No incitement to violence.. just incitement to confrontation...

So I have seen these things a little bit from the side of the minority....It is ugly....and this with a lot of catalan people having a lot of power...I just can't imagine what is living the ame thing but powerless...shhhh

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 03:13:24 AM EST
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Re: And you, too! (none / 1)

Thank you, I find that a huge compliment if I can convince people about something.

And I understand where you're coming from and how it motivates you to be such an active alternative voice in this debate. We need voices like yours, for self-moderation and insights.

I'm an optimist: in the end, I think Catalunya and Spain will end up making fun of each other in a friendly way and respect that. Like the Dutch and the Belgium people do, while they once were united in the Dutch Republic. The key problem in this debate is one of a minority put in an underdog position. Like Catalonia in Spain, currently. For the Muslim community in Europe that's the case also, and millitant Islam is actually aggrevating it by seeding mistrust among the majority.

by Nomad (Bjinse) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 06:34:49 AM EST
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Muslim Cartoon Controversy: What the Media Isn't Telling You | 78 comments (78 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)

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