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Re: Differences are not easily overcome (4.00 / 5)
Regarding the authority argument.. well Calling "ungrateful inmigrants" to the rioters has a an interesting narrative that you should be able to see. And that actually your professor knows.

First, "immigrants".. this means coming from another place....they are foreigners ..not like us.. the fact that most rioters were french makes it difficult to defend...but if someone does not want to change the conclusion  because he has already a good idea in mind before the real data is received h ehas to forget it...what's that idea? well you get the key in "ungrateful".... they are foreigners .. they come to our "home" .. so they should be grateful to "us". "We" allow them to be here..

IN two words you have constructed a world of "us" versus "them" and where "them" should behave according to my rules...Even better, if you associate anyone that breaks the law with an inmigrant no mattter if he is an immigrant or not, then you have a more wonderful circle reasoning...now they really break our common rules.. they break the law..they are inmigrants because they break the law and they look to me as inmigrants. And why te break the law? beacuase they are inmigrants.

Of course, if it turns out that they are not inmigrants but French then it is a little problematic...So, next step is trying to say that someone is an "inmigrant" witout really "being an inmigrant".. well what about some weird surname or a weird colour of the skin... that will clearly make the difference..Let's say colour of the skin.

So basically "ungrateful inmigrants" has a slight touch of describing a world that does not exist but can be easily created about people from another race...It basically concludes that it is better to forget that the rioters have been living in France since they were born..that they all have very different races and backgrounds (except that all of them were poor), they are actually French...and their reason for rioting is rather complex...."inmigrant" and ungrateful" are easier to understand..but the narrative below is.. divisive (I do not want to use the harsh word)

So I would not agree with your description. And I really hope that one day you will see that he/she  (your professor) is wrong...there are  a lot of great threads about this topic hee in ET..I am sure you will love to read them..it may change your opinion...maybe not.. but at least you will understand why other people may not think like you.

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:26:15 PM EST
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Re: Differences are not easily overcome (4.00 / 2)
Of course, then there's the assumption that if one is a child or grandchild of immigrants, one is lacking in the drive to get an education, lacking in work ethic, lacking in the drive for self-improvement. Because, you know, people don't emigrate to improve their chances of self-realization, no, one emigrates to be lazy.

By the way, Kcurie, t'has passat con aquest comentari.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:30:08 PM EST
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Re: Differences are not easily overcome (none / 0)
I am not sure if Chris was trying to ake a joke or trying to be serious or what was the background...
I will solve that..

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:36:43 PM EST
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Re: Differences are not easily overcome (none / 0)
So I think now it is clear why I wrote the piece. jesus  "Pensava que ell feia conya tio...com tu".

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I therefore claim to show, not how men think in myths, but how myths operate in men's minds without their being aware of the fact. Levi-Strauss, Claude

by kcurie on Mon Feb 6th, 2006 at 05:45:36 PM EST
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