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I still think the effects of corporations dumping huge amounts of money into lobbyists to drop fully formed legislation into the laps of the chosen representatives (and another key objection is that the chosen in the Greek model are still representatives, especially when faced with events, rather than just choices) are a big problem with the model.

A nice example of just how this kind of legislation would work is in today's column by Simon Hoggart of the Guardian.

However, a bill of this length has one great advantage. It means that anyone can find in it whatever they want to find. This is vital, for the Tories, who decided to vote for it in order to embarrass the prime minister, and for education secretary Ruth Kelly, who can find enough shiny needles in this particular haystack to claim that it is a truly egalitarian, Labour bill.

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Ruth Kelly, the education secretary, then picked out every leftwing element in the bill and flung to those behind her, "this is a progressive bill, a reforming bill", a peroration that would have been even more resonant if a Lib Dem had not shouted out "and a Tory bill!"

A point proved when Tories lined up to say how much they liked many of its multitudinous clauses.

(There's also the complexity issue, but that deserves a diary if I get time.)

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Thu Mar 16th, 2006 at 08:47:22 AM EST
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It's hard to know because no one has tried.

Lobbying today only really works because power is very concentrated. If you get access to Tony and can sell him on your plans (possibly with the help of a loan or two) you're in. Similarly K Street in Washington. It's all in one place, and the players all know each other. That's what makes it so potent.

When you have a few hundred randomly aligned people to persuade, it becomes a more complicated thing to arrange.

It surely isn't possible to arrange a perfect system. But as someone else pointed out in a different thread, democracy is based on keeping economic, religious, legislative, presidential and popular power separate. Once they start amalgamating democracy is dead. So any approach that helps maintain the separation, which means maintaining checks and balances, is an improvement on what we have now.

by ThatBritGuy (thatbritguy (at) googlemail.com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 10:16:07 AM EST
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Let me put it this way, who do you think will propose policy in your system? A detailed new law on banking fraud, for instance?
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Fri Mar 17th, 2006 at 10:31:17 AM EST
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