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It's the same fight | 94 comments (94 topical, editorial, 0 hidden)
Re: It's the same fight (none / 0)
If you will accept a little constructive criticism of diary mechanics Jerome:

It is my feeling that you made a mistake in the construction of your dKos diary.

Over here you can reasonably expect that regular commenters are likely to have read your deconstruction diaries and others are willing to be directed to them.

This approach does not really work on dKos (and indeed, in my observation, a lot of other places on the net.

As a result, many of the commenters have not read the linked articles and the debate remains focussed around the 20% youth unemployment figure. If I may put it crudely, kossacks don't RTFA and expecting them to do so has damaged your chances of making your point.

Instead of opening their minds to the sleight of hand used around the CPE issue, mentioning the 20% figure without explicitly demolishing it lets them fizz around the comment space, proudly displaying their "centrist," "mainstream," "skepticist" credentials with comments along the lines of:

"You're living in socialist cuckoo land if you think 20% youth unemployment is not a serious problem." etc. etc.

by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 04:51:27 AM EST
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I've just spent a harrowing hour over there. You may be right about the diary. But, to judge by a whole heap of comments, no careful framing would have stopped the deluge.

Far too many Americans left of "center" (wherever that may be) are simply incapable of imagining that any other set of ideas of any interest or value might exist beyond the ones they've been formatted by in an isolated, self-referring -- yet world-powerful -- culture.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 07:49:33 AM EST
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Re: It's the same fight (4.00 / 2)
Upstate NY observes upthread that US Americans left of the EU centre are a minority and, being mostly outside the Democratic party, not really represented at DKos.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 08:04:25 AM EST
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DKos comments express knee-jerk populism in an extreme form. While the stated purpose of the blog is to support the Democratic party, the Democratic party itself is centrist or even conservative. And the liberal wing of the Democratic party is only marginally represented on DKos. Mostly what you see there is ranting by people who have no clue...
by asdf on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 09:25:09 AM EST
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Longtime readers of Dkos know you are right -- that its become a Democratic Underground run on very good software.
by desmoulins (gsb6@lycos.com) on Mon Mar 20th, 2006 at 12:08:09 PM EST
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It's the same fight | 94 comments (94 topical, 0 editorial, 0 hidden)
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