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You don't understand - democracy IS synonymous with chaos in Russia and Belorussia (and Ukraine to an extent).

Well, isn't that nice for the anti-democrats? How did it get that way?

Talk about your lack of attention.  This is all I write about on this site.  The fact that shock therapy, recommended by western economists, combined with "democracy" have left Russians hungering for stability - which Putin has provided.

It got that way because the west made it that way.  It is very convenient, isn't it?  The west creates the problem, then berates and belittles the country for having the problem.

What I don't understand is that people here lionize Hugo Chavez for his anti-globalization stand.  Here's Lukashenko doing the same thing in Belorussia, yet he's ostracized.  What's the difference between the two?  Both spend most of their GDP improving the situation for the poorest members of their countries.  That seems like a laudable goal by any liberal standard.  

by slaboymni on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 06:57:48 PM EST
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What's the difference between the two?

Winning elections the clean way?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 07:02:04 PM EST
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I have yet to see a "clean" election in any country.  I believe I have a better chance of seeing the tooth fairy.
by slaboymni on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 07:05:48 PM EST
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Hm... what's your problem, off the top of my head, with the 2005 German elections?

And again, are you incapable of seeing gradations in cleanliness?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 07:13:37 PM EST
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...or for that matter, what is your problem with Chávez's recall referendum vote?

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 07:14:20 PM EST
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I'll answer both of your questions with a question - Do you honestly believe that either of these elections were fair?  If so, I have a large (actually it's the longest in the world) railroad that I'd like to sell you.
by slaboymni on Thu Mar 23rd, 2006 at 07:30:06 PM EST
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What precisely is your argument against the 'fairness' of these elections? Even leaving aside all of the other arguments, what would it take for an election to be deemed fair by you?

Because yeah, I'd suggest that those elections were fair or close to it. Australia and NZ's elections are also fair as I understand the concept (much as I may disagree with the outcome in Aus).

by dukkha on Fri Mar 24th, 2006 at 12:32:03 AM EST
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