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One question would be, why don't they want to live together? It seems to me that as long as you have political safeguards in line, there should be no absolute right of self-determination especially in a country without any clear boundaries (i.e. mixed villages). At most, the West should ensure that there are democratic safeguards in those countries in countries with mixed populations. In the case of Kosovo, that was not one of our priorities at all. The West was much more concerned with its own interests.

As well, I don't believe Bosnia should have been split up as envisioned by Izebetgovic/Tudjman/Milosevic early on. The Vance Owen plan seemed to present a perfectly functional framework for gov't, one that worked elswehere, and without 100,000 deaths that ensued, the people would have been much more capable of getting along in a power-sharing gov't. In both these cases we see that the principle of self-determination was not used to further the cause of Democracy, or to prevent violence, but it actually caused violence precisely because the right of self-determination was given to select groups of people, while it was refused for others, and not only that, the West acquiesced as discriminatory laws were passed by the very people they had given the right of self-determination to.

There have to be real standards that have an ethical logic to them, or otherwise powerful actors will always have the option of mucking things up.

by Upstate NY on Mon Mar 27th, 2006 at 11:38:04 AM EST
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How about the way the Schleswig question was ultimately settled? There was a referendum and some town-swapping and population transfer, but it was (ultimately) peaceful. I say ultimately because there were a few military campaigns involved as well.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 27th, 2006 at 11:40:17 AM EST
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I guess my views may be tainted by Cyprus and/or Croatia. I'm not comparing the two cases, but it seems that peaceful coexistence was possible in both countries but certain outside factors threatened that possibility. I don't want to get into the history of the regions, all that the Croats did to the Serbs, and vice versa, all that the Greeks did to the Turks, and vice versa. I'm only talking about recent events. In both cases, there would have been peaceful and unified governments had the Western world simply insisted on Democratic norms. Had the EU acquis communitaire been offered as a model for multicultural citizenship, then both countries would have entered the Western system as multicultural nations with a good deal of harmony and peace among citizens.

Citizens take up arms when they feel threatened and when they feel incited to violence. I tend to resent the fact that sometimes democratic principles are swept under the rug when principles of self-determination are espoused, and that's precisely one of the triggers for violence. And I'm also disappointed when organs and entities such as the EU look askance at those very same principles when they have every right to apply them, as they should have in Cyprus before the referendum.

Cyprus and Croatia are in my mind nations where two sets of peoples could have easily co-existed in one unified nation, had the west simply insisted on the adoption of democratic principles. I believe the Serbs would have no cause for separation in the Krajina had the West simply insisted that the Croats repeal the discriminatory laws they passed on the birth of the new republic.

by Upstate NY on Mon Mar 27th, 2006 at 01:00:07 PM EST
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What do you have to say about the Basque country (see the currently front-paged thread)?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Mar 27th, 2006 at 11:41:04 AM EST
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