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Good points, and it is a flawed logic.  But I wonder, at a pragmatic level, does it matter to you that one of these countries is openly talking about wiping another country off the face of the map?  
by wchurchill on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 05:59:11 AM EST
Does it matter to you that India has been at war with Pakistan three times in the last 60 years, and that they both have nukes, and that they are outside the NPT?

It is a lot more likely that India and Pakistan will nuke each other than that Iran will actually be able to strike Israel.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:01:45 AM EST
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bring it up in the context of the debate.  Personally, I see a huge difference between the outright threats of Iran, and hatred to Israel.  If you don't, and want to see Iran have nuclear weapons, argue your points there.
by wchurchill on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:06:07 AM EST
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I argue here because it is a direct response to your comment here. Feel free to quote me, with links, "in the context of the debate".

India and Pakistan do a lot of posturing, just like Iran and Israel do towards each other. Of the 4 countries...

  • which ones have not signed the NPT?
  • which ones are US allies?
  • which ones have nuclear weapons?
  • which ones have gone to war with each other?
  • which one is a military dictatorship?


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Carrie (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:11:25 AM EST
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I don't agree with any country saying another country should be wiped off the map. I personally don't have a pro- or anti-Iran stand...I'm reporting this as news, is all. I don't particularly like the current Iranian government's hard.right wing stand, and as I know people who do humanitarian work in Iran, I've learned interesting things about that society that is unsettling.

But...when one looks at the behavior of the Bush led US govt., which has been to do its own thing and consistently break international laws, start unilateral wars (and now, apparently, sign illegal treaties)...it doesn't take a whole lot of imagination to see why a country like Iran may want to nuke up, just out of self-protection.

My point being, America is really behaving strangely here...

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia

by whataboutbob on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:10:00 AM EST
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I fail to see your point: thinking that helping out non-signatories to the NPT who have proven that they are diverting from their civilian to there military programme with nuclear technology while sabre-rattling over the possibility that a signatory to the NPT might want nukes is a bit bizarre is hardly equivalent to wanting Iran to have nuclear weapons. No one here wants that. I would suggest that few here want any nuclear weapons lying around. Sounds to me as if your internalising "you're with us or against us" a bit too much.

Does it bother you that the US has a first-use and tactical use doctrine for nuclear weapons?

by Colman (colman at eurotrib.com) on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:12:12 AM EST
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I said it is flawed logic--the US position.  But,,,,do you want Iran,,,etc.
by wchurchill on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:18:11 AM EST
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I see...well, it wouldn't be the first time someone accused me of having flawed logic...but thankfully now understand you were talking about the US (this time!).

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Fri Mar 3rd, 2006 at 06:55:28 AM EST
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