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Yes, the price of oil could go to $150 a barrel, and yes, Iran could retaliate with a terrorist offensive that would light Iraq and the Persian Gulf up like Roman candles. We can't rule out a major attack on American soil. (A recent report based on Saudi intelligence sources claims the al-Quds Force of Iran's Revolutionary Guard Corps -- probably the most capable terrorist support organization in the world -- already has a box on its organizational chart labeled "North America.")

But, barring another 9/11, or a worldwide financial meltdown, the day after a nuclear strike on Iran might not look that much different than the day before, at least to the folks back home. The impact on oil prices -- and even more importantly, on prices at the pump -- might be containable, at least in the short-term, if the Straits of Hormuz remain open and the strategic oil reserve does what it's supposed to do. (Very big ifs, to be sure, but not impossible ones. Neither of the last two wars in the gulf turned into the energy catastrophes everyone had feared when they began.) Financial markets might actually rally if Wall Street judges the strike to have been a "success."

There is no way in hell that a nuclear strike on Iran does not trigger a total economic meltdown. Hormuz will be closed off absolutely, and the Gulf countries are totally unlikely to keep on delivering oil to the West in any case.

Oil sill not reach 150$/bl, but 5,000$/b as we need to destroy one third of our demand instantaneously. Rationing, state of emergency everywhere, and whatever chaos Iranian special forces (hard to call them terrorists in such circumstances) cause in whatever countries they'll be attacking.

Meltdown, war footing, suspension of democracy, ...

An unprovoked nuclear strike? It will be really, really ugly.

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Wed Apr 12th, 2006 at 06:50:44 PM EST
we know from the history that there were once millions of people who were led to the slaughterhouse without much protest. I don't think we are any more visionary than the victims of the Holocaust.

Yes, there is a cloud over the horizon. Families meet at the dinner table and talk "Are we alright?" "Aren't they taking us to the hell?" "No, I can't imagine anybody willingly committing mass murders, it is a waste of time and resources." "Yeah, I heard we will only be relocated, the problem is if we can buy milk there" "Let's stop this nonsense. Tomorrow we have to get up early"....


I will become a patissier, God willing.

by tuasfait on Wed Apr 12th, 2006 at 09:40:46 PM EST
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yes it will be ugly but i think the world need a very good shack up, it s getting really boring with all businesses as usual.

it would be nice to retrieve the after war' dynamism and hapiness of the fifties and sixties.

by fredouil (fredouil@gmailgmailgmail.com) on Thu Apr 13th, 2006 at 02:05:08 AM EST
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I don't look forward to the 'after war' of a nuclear war and the accompanying destruction of our institutions that it will bring (not to mention the more obvious damage to populations and economies)

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 13th, 2006 at 04:35:58 AM EST
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Why, Jerome, but I do believe you're waxing pessimistic. Come on to the Dark Side, we'll make room for you. :-)

Snark aside, I remember the Jerome from 2 or 3 years ago, when you began posting regularly, and does it seem to you that you've become far more radical and darker in vision than you used to be?

 

by Lupin on Thu Apr 13th, 2006 at 11:26:19 AM EST
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Well, I still consider myself a centrist (and the political compass test sort of bears that out), but I see the ground moving to the right so much that I end up looking like a lefty...

Seriously, the more you read about peak oil, the harder it is to be reassured that a smooth transition can take place. I still believe it is possible (which probably makes me an optimist) because we waste so much and could change our ways without meaningful loss of "prosperity" - but the more time passes, and the more I see that only a crisis will bring this about.

On the nuclear front, well, attacking Iran is (i) talked about and (ii) totally stupid, so one cannot help being worried. And a nuclear attack would certainly have terrifying consesquences - and yet it seems it cannot totally be excluded with this administration.

In my optimistic days, I think that they actually care about our future, and are actually trying to bring about as quickly as possible the crisis that will finally force us to change our wasteful ways...

In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes

by Jerome a Paris (etg@eurotrib.com) on Thu Apr 13th, 2006 at 12:17:31 PM EST
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What is interesting, and what I reflect upon occasionally, is how the last 5 years or so have changed us all.

When I look back, even my rather pessimistic outlook of 2003 seems rosy compared to where we are today, and I can't help wondering in I'll say the same thing in 2009. It is a scary thought.

As you heard me say quite often, I think the next decade -- in a weirdly similar parallel with the first decade or so of the 20th century -- will see some major transformations in the world order.

by Lupin on Thu Apr 13th, 2006 at 12:57:43 PM EST
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When I look back, even my rather pessimistic outlook of 2003 seems rosy compared to where we are today

Heh, I just dug up my earlier self on the evening open thread too... but I got pessimistic enough in December 2001.

(Jérôme, this is what I meant.)

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Thu Apr 13th, 2006 at 06:05:27 PM EST
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