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But peace is coming to the Middle East.

Hopefully, we have time to choose friendship before we run out of time and the choice (for the grave) is made for us.

Have Keyboard. Will Travel. :)

by cskendrick (cs ke nd ri c k @h ot m ail dot c om) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 10:49:47 AM EST
I have always understood that Finland has, per capita, among the best drinking water resources, along with Canada?

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 04:52:02 PM EST
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I believe so.  It also has, if I'm not mistaken, one of the most competitive economies on the planet, according to a fairly recent survey published in the WSJ.  The Journal, of course, ignored Finland's high ranking.  The Nordic states, in general, seem to rank high on these sorts of reports.  I think cskendrick did a great job.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:04:46 PM EST
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by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:08:16 PM EST
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To quote:

Nor has high taxation in the Nordic countries impeded economic performance. Rather than relying mainly on income taxation, as in the US, the Nordic countries rely on value-added taxation, which provides a relatively high amount of revenue with relatively low rates of evasion and few distortions to the economy.

The Nordic experience also belies conservatives' claim that a large social welfare state weakens incentives to work and save. National saving in the Nordic countries averages more than 20 percent of national income, compared to around 10 percent in the US

But we have to add in the inbuilt  Calvinist/Lutheran work morale

But how replicable are the Nordic successes? These countries have small populations, easy access to international trade, natural resources, and peaceful neighbours. Most notably, they are ethnically homogeneous, so that social divisions are more amenable to compromise. However, this means that the challenge of maintaining a strong social welfare state in ethnically and racially diverse societies such as the US is not economic, but one of promoting respect and inclusiveness

espect and inclusiveness -right on!

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:27:10 PM EST
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Good find.  Thanks.

Be nice to America. Or we'll bring democracy to your country.
by Drew J Jones (pedobear@pennstatefootball.com) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:40:52 PM EST
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To say nothing of the drinking vodka resources.

The world's northernmost desert wind.
by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:05:58 PM EST
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Just because you wear a greyhound owners cap, it doesn't entitle you to chase rabbits.

Please present your comparative figues for annual per capita comparative consumption of alcohol in Norway and Finland. The loser offfers the winner a night out in the local nightspot of choice,

Welcome to Helsinki...

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:13:10 PM EST
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I don't have the figures, but while we can't compete with you wackos (and please take that in an affectionate sense), we Norsemen do have a certain reputation on the continent for prodigious binge drinking. This despite the odds being stacked against us by an unholy alliance of social-democratic paternalists and pietist loons.

I'm talking here about £30-50 a pint and £40-50 for a decent single malt.

But you know Sven, unless we drop this subject (and yes, I am aware that I raised it), we'll be at risk from the air marshall, not for the first time.

So I'll pour myself one instead, and dream of Helsinki.

The world's northernmost desert wind.

by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:28:23 PM EST
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Have we ever really disagreed? Or have we merely indulged in the standard Nordic ball-bashing.

Come to Helsinki and let me show you a good time. A little fisticuffs is merely part of a good evening out...In between we might solve the problems of the world...


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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:44:19 PM EST
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Right, we haven't disagreed -- the air marshall was in reference to hijacking...

I'll see you in Helsinki before this lifetime is over, drink you pitifully under the table, and thump my chest!

The world's northernmost desert wind.

by Sirocco (sirocco2005ATgmail.com) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:58:30 PM EST
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That depends on what we drink - but I must warn you that I once drank a Finnish general onto the floor.

You can still thump your chest, the moral victory will be clear ;-9

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 06:05:44 PM EST
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I mean, everybody knows Icelanders rule. :)

Have Keyboard. Will Travel. :)
by cskendrick (cs ke nd ri c k @h ot m ail dot c om) on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 07:05:00 AM EST
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I got Finland with enough water for 18 million, 71% of it available at the moment for export.

Sweden's supply, in number of people supportable: 22MM (70% available)

Norway: 55MM (92% available)

For comparison Canada has enough for 408MM (likewise 92% available for export)

These are all estimates, of course, and subject to revision.

Wouldn't want to shortchange Finland, if the Finns have more water on tap than that. :)

Have Keyboard. Will Travel. :)

by cskendrick (cs ke nd ri c k @h ot m ail dot c om) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:27:28 PM EST
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But does it taste good? ;.)

Note that these are all boreal regions. And I am fascinated by the apparent fact that not only does every cubic metre of timber sequester 210 kilos of carbon, but that the average 20 year old tree holds 200 litres of water. And that transpiration produces 2/3rds of atmospheric water.

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:38:19 PM EST
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...meaning to the question "Got Wood?" :)

Have Keyboard. Will Travel. :)
by cskendrick (cs ke nd ri c k @h ot m ail dot c om) on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:40:49 PM EST
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I'm not going to mention Norwegian Wood because Sirocco will simply claim that the Beatles got their launch in Stavanger playing 8 hrs a night to drunken Norwegian North Sea oil workers.


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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:48:32 PM EST
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Norwegians are heavily into mythology

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by Sven Triloqvist on Sun Apr 23rd, 2006 at 05:49:59 PM EST
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