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by MarekNYC on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 03:00:30 PM EST
I'm sorry.  I don't get why this is a troll diary.  Can you explain?

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
by p------- on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 03:51:41 PM EST
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It's riddled with antisemitic insinuations.  A good while back in a debate 'name' made arguably antisemitic statements, and when a commenter called him on it replied that he isn't antisemitic, but then added that his views about Jews are those expressed on a certain site, linked to it, and it turned out to be clearly racist. If he didn't have that past then I'd be willing to consider the possibility that it was just incoherent stupidity rather than deliberate race baiting. Plus he makes it clear that he knows what he's doing - look at the first statement addressed to Jerome, who called him on this sort of crap in the past.
by MarekNYC on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 04:01:51 PM EST
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I guess my original reading of it was that he was upset that skinheads were allowed to continue to do this sort of thing.  How is that anti-Semetic?  

I'm not even getting into the whole racism/anti-semitism thing here because these seem like problems you need to face on your own.  All I know is that any suggestion that it might exist at all in Europe is met here with the disproportional defensiveness.  Which is what I assumed the allusion to Jerome was about.  Anyway, I'm staying out of that.  We all have our own land mines, it seems...

I suppose I should do some background research on all posters before responding to them in the future?  

Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire

by p------- on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 04:27:51 PM EST
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How is that anti-Semetic?

The gratuitous mention that a 'Zionist' [sic] condemned the attack, and the implication that it is something unusual. In actual fact the German Jewish community tends to be very outspoken about stuff like this - for some strange reason they feel strongly about neo-Nazis.

That's followed by vague insinuations that shadowy forces are behind the skinheads.  When someone with antisemitic opinions brings up Jews in connection with something where it isn't particularly relevant, then starts making weird suggestions about how there are secret forces behind the phenomenon under discussion then it is pretty clear what he is thinking.

I suppose I should do some background research on all posters before responding to them in the future?

No reason to do that. Fortunately racists are far and few between on this site, and one can generally assume that posters are not racist unless proven otherwise. In this case it is pretty clear (see the comment I posted right around the time you posted yours)


by MarekNYC on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 04:46:05 PM EST
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You're normally, I find, an astute and clear-sighted reader, poemless. So how can you read this:

Last but not least, today a zionist, Anetta Kahane, went before N-TV to pull a boo-hoo-hoo. Since when do they even so much as care for black people ? (...)
If the poor guy was just a "normal" black he would never have gotten all the attention. This guy will serve as another conspicuous example of how bad jews are treated.

and not see it for the anti-semitic slur it is, beats me. But, as you say (conveniently shoving the responsibilty on to "you", meaning, supposedly, everyone else at ET who need to "face" these "problems"), you're not going into any of that "racism/antisemitism thing".

Read name's diary again. Read Ritter's response to its attack on Germany. Read name's references to Jews again, without preconceived ideas about ET and anti-semitism this time. And see why this was not a diary to recommend.

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed Apr 26th, 2006 at 01:38:38 AM EST
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Just to make it clear, name said that he shares the views of an Israeli convert to Christianity and in the link provided we find stuf like:

The "liberal democracy and human rights" doctrine carried by the US marines even across Tigris and Oxus is a crypto-religion, an extreme heretical form of Judaised Christianity. Alexander Panarin, a modern (deceased) Russian political philosopher, noticed the anti-Christian character of the American doctrine: "The new American vision of de-contextualised Goods and their de-socialised Consumers is a heathen myth"; in his view the US doctrine represents a lapse into heathendom.

In my view, this new religion can be called Neo-Judaism; its adepts imitate classic Jewish attitudes; Jews often act as priests of the new faith and they are considered sacred by its adepts.


Still, there is a strong feeling of continuity between Palaeo-Judaism and the newer version. The Jewish state is the enactment of the paranoid Jewish fear and loathing of the stranger, while the Cabal policies of Pentagon are another manifestation of this same fear and loathing on global scale. The ideas for Neo-Judaism were formed by Jewish nationalist Leo Strauss, and promoted by Jewish writers of the New York Times. There is a project of supplying Neo-Judaism with exoteric rites by constructing a new Jerusalem Temple on the site of al Aqsa Mosque.

Neo-Judaism is the unofficial faith of the American Empire, and the war in the Middle East is indeed the Neo-Judaic Jihad. It is intuited by millions: Tom Friedman of the NY Times wrote that the Iraqis call the American invaders "Jews". Neo-Judaism is the cult of globalism, neo-liberalism, destruction of family and nature, anti-spiritual and anti-Christian.

This is also an anti-social cult of commodification, alienation and uprooting; fighting cohesive society, solidarity, tradition - in short, fighting the values upheld by the three great churches. As the church has lost its position in the West, the adepts of Neo-Judaism consider Western Christendom almost dead and fight it by bloodless means through their ADL, ACLU and other anti-Christian bodies. The Village Voice calls Bush `the Christian', The New York Times writes of priests' child abuse, Schwarzenegger demolishes a church in The Last Days, - this is the Western front of the Neo-Judaic Jihad.


The psychological portrait should be recognizable for the Ukrainians. Yes, the Civilization X presently at war with the rest of the world, is this eminently familiar and contemptible figure, a medieval Ukrainian Jew, a usurer, tax collector and alcohol pusher magnified by a factor of million. Its size impeded our recognition, for it is not easy to recognize an elephant-size louse.  TOP

Centuries ago, this figure ruled your steppes. After expulsion from France and Spain, the immigrant Jews settled in the Ukraine, suborned the timid native Jews and in short time strategically placed themselves between Polish landlords and Ukrainian peasants. They had lent money to landlords and peasants, pushed alcohol, managed the feudal estates, and eventually became the ultimate source of power. The Jews fought the Church, for the Church objected to their liberal trade in alcohol and usury. Until nowadays, the Jewish word kabala (receipt) is used in the Ukrainian language for `debt enslavement'.

The Civilization X pushes heroin instead of vodka, loans out billions instead of two rubles, sucks out the wealth of nations instead of meager livelihood of a peasant, fears nuclear weapons rather than moujik's axe, but it is the same complex of ideas and methods. In short, Civilization X is a dangerous and aggressive mutation of Jewish spirit grafted on the Anglo-American basis. Huntington was right - up to a point. The Conflict of Civilizations is unavoidable, but it is not a conflict of Christendom and Islam, but the conflict of Christians and Muslims versus Neo-Jews


by MarekNYC on Tue Apr 25th, 2006 at 04:32:38 PM EST
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