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I've seen this with my oil pipelines - some NGOs are opposing all pipelines on principle, because they only feed our oil-based economy and contribute to corruption and economic inequality where they are. So no matter how reasonable the proposed solutions are, they will be opposed.
While I agree to an extent that "oil is evil", I don't see this as the way to go. Our oil civilisation will change when we tackle demand, not supply. In the long run, we're all dead. John Maynard Keynes
It sometimes seems that they try to prevent the historical waste problem from being solved because then the main argument against new nuclear power plants ('what do we do with all the waste?') evaporates. Sort of like the Republicans not really wanting to get rid of abortion because, without their main rallying issue, they might be unable to mobilize their base.
Sort of like the Republicans not really wanting to get rid of abortion because, without their main rallying issue, they might be unable to mobilize their base.
In the case of expert organizations (such as Greenpeace) with access to wide range of professional expertise, and the ability, at least, to scientifically collate all parts of the argument, their failure to support the best of existing solutions, or perhaps come up with a new one, reveals IMHO a political problem.
That political problem is funding. Certain positions have to be taken in order to retain such funding.
Though Greenpace may not be a 'think-tank', my impression is that in all other areas of concern to them they have proposed solutions. Why not here in the nuclear waste disposal debate? You can't be me, I'm taken
there are only more or less controversial ones, afaik.
as for oil, i see the ngo's point, although the damage to the environment and human health of feeding further oil dependency may be as bad as nuclear waste and accident fallout at the end of the day, it should not be an either/or, but rather a neither/nor.
as jerome brings it back into perspective, i fully agree. if we took conservation and elegance of solution to be the guidelines, we would look first to conservation, then to gradated lesser-evil answers.
whereas many of you may find my views blue-sky or utopian, i find the passive acceptance of the inevitability of the 'french solution' to scale up and sort the global human energy equation to be dangerous in its skirting of the need to break down our requirements to those which are truly essential, before handing over the keys to the bechtels and westinghouses of centralised, top-down, reliably mendacious energy rentiers, none of whose track records inspire a fraction of the trust i would want to feel, regarding future generations and our responsibility to passing on a liveable planet to them.
we in the west have set a terrible example, and now the new superpowers see no need to think more rationally than we did.
what has almost done us in, as practised by much less than half of the world population, will certainly be unsustainable as the rest follows suit.
the most likely scenario is that mother nature has timed the end of fossil fuels to coincide with our awakening as a species to the life-and-death choices and responsibilities we face, and how we could and should live equitably in a world of finite resources.
setting the wheels in motion fto finance, locate, justify to the already jaded and burned public, the number of nuke plants that would be needed to make a dent in our fossil fuel addiction, will deliver a very polarised choice to an ever more savvy and sceptical public.
my bet is that the world will move much more smartly towards cutting demand, and creating new, 'soft' solutions to challenges energy corporations will repeatedly try to snow us into accepting.
i remember the cognitive dissonance i experienced through the eighties, when the media was busily misinforming us about how solar was a dodgy, unreliable source, yet increasingly PV panels were popping up on all sorts of places, from lake buoy nightlights, to traffic signals.
a perfect metaphor is the drm efforts to sequester intellectual property versus the bit-torrent model.
one is elegant and liberating, the other a dinosaur that has called the shots for a long while now.
one insure-able, the other not...
it is greenpeace's job to knock holes in projected plans for waste disposal, and to alert us to the self-serving conniptions, greenwashing and propaganda those who claim to have solutions are not above using. 'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty
maybe because there aren't any satisfactory ones!
But Mig has consistently raised the question not of nuclear power per se, but of what to do with all the 100,000 year waste that is currently stored in less than ideal circumstances. There have been no answers to that little problem yet - or even acknowledgement that it is a problem that requires a solution.
I equate that failure to the Catholic Church's failure to see contraception as a life and death problem in areas ravaged by AIDS; instead insisting that it is a moral problem. Pragmatism v Dogmatism. How many millions have to die before pragmatism overcomes? You can't be me, I'm taken
(Yeah, I'm unfairly exaggerating for effect. But somehow we will survive withouth the panda bears.)
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