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In any case, I think my point that she did not take on a false name with intent to defraud, stands. Fairly obviously this has been brought up now to score cheap points off her by sticking a knife in her back as she leaves -- and is possibly backfiring by making Verdonk look as bad as she should.

Still don't like Hirsi Magan/Ali for other reasons...

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 17th, 2006 at 07:09:04 AM EST
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If the Wikipedia biography is accurate, she has an interesting trajectory, from (sympathising with) the Muslim Brotherhood to the American Enterprise Institute.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 17th, 2006 at 07:10:34 AM EST
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I've to take issue on that one, afew. Even while Hirsi Ali is an "one issue" woman, she has done tremendous work in the Netherlands to map out the structural flaws within the Islam society in the Netherlands and later on within the Islam itself. Now, on the latter, I think she's starting to head into a direction I do not particularly favour, and she has never been a tremendously gifted politician, but no one can fault her for not trying. But for the Netherlands as a nation, it is bad riddance, even while it was becoming inevitable she'd choose an even larger stage eventually.

But I'd sincerely believe that a self-made free-thinker as Hirsi Ali would be much better at place here in Europe than surrounded by the arch conservatives in the United States, a country with a very low Islam minority. In fact, I would not be surprised that the people within the AEI are suddenly faced with internal dilemma's themselves: I read that Ayaan for instance promoted pre-marriage, safe sex for women in Islamic countries, an issue which is at complete odds with the conservative christian moral dominant through the AEI! There is every bit of potential fireworks with her next move. The story of Hirsi Ali is far from being over and she remains in my opinion a person whose movements and writings should be closely tracked.

by Nomad on Wed May 17th, 2006 at 09:05:42 AM EST
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Fair enough, you know more of the details than I do. But as you say, she'd be better in a complicated European situation than a dogmatically manichean American one, yet that is where she has chosen to go, and with an unequivocal AEI ticket.

It will in fact be interesting to see if she sticks to her guns in opposing religiously-inspired sexual taboos (of Islamic origin) when faced with the same (of Judeo-Christian origin).

by afew (afew(a in a circle)eurotrib_dot_com) on Wed May 17th, 2006 at 10:31:00 AM EST
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It will in fact be interesting to see if she sticks to her guns in opposing religiously-inspired sexual taboos (of Islamic origin) when faced with the same (of Judeo-Christian origin).

I agree wholeheartedly with that. Interesting might just be scratching the surface of descriptive terms...

by Nomad on Wed May 17th, 2006 at 11:04:52 AM EST
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The Netherlands does not seem like the best place for her, to be honest...
The direct cause for the ending of my membership in parliament is that on April 27 of this year, a Dutch court ruled that I must once again leave my home, because my neighbors filed a complaint that they could not feel safe living next to me. The Dutch government will appeal this verdict and I grateful for that, because how on earth will other people whose lives are threatened manage to find a place to stay if this verdict is allowed to rest?


A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Wed May 17th, 2006 at 04:06:46 PM EST
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Shades of Salman Rushdie's story. He left Britain in large part because of people (not jst right-wing) who'd opine that he should shut up and be grateful for the  millions spent on his personal defence rather than cause more trouble with stating his opinions or walking around town; and also types who opined that Muslim anger is rightful in his case.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Fri May 19th, 2006 at 07:51:22 AM EST
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