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Most of us are zooming along blissfully in exactly the wrong direction: building more freeways, more malls, more auto-dependent housing developments, increasingly grotesque and demeaning commercial enterprises sucking the meaning out of our lives and American society as a whole. It's the collective insanity of our society that makes it possible for us to drive, consume and build freeways as though we could go on forever.

You want to change that then you need to change the policies that make such behaviour rational for individuals. There is no contradiction between people on the one hand doing what's best for them under the current circumstances - e.g. buying a house way out in the exurbs because of the astronomical prices for family housing in the city and inner suburbs, or buying goods that have been shipped halfway around the world and back again - and supporting policies that will bring the individual good in line with the social good.  Teaching people about choices that make sense on both the individual and the social level is a good idea.  Berating middle and working class families for not spending more for less, as if they just had the luxury to choose otherwise, is counterproductive arrogance. So push for more money for public transport as opposed to roads, for changing zoning laws so that you can build new housing in urban and inner suburbs with commuter rail, to tax inefficient vehicles, for laws that encourage renewable energy.

The neolibs were able to do it for stuff that hurts both individual and society, surely progressives should be able to figure out how to do it for policies that help society.  At the same time convince upper middle class progressives that they have to make sacrifices too, and not just the old style progressive ones like taxation. When I listen to people in my neighbourhood complaining about the evils of exurban sprawl in one breath, while opposing building high-rise urban housing in the next, I feel like slamming my head on the wall.

by MarekNYC on Fri May 26th, 2006 at 01:33:58 PM EST

high-rise urban housing in the next, I feel like slamming my head on the wall.

Why does urban housing have to be high-rise?  Most European cities have higher population densities than their American counterparts, yet high-rise buildings are not permitted.  I tend to agree that it would ruin the historic nature (i.e. soul) of a city.

Maybe if Americans were not so insistent on living in single-family homes, rather than in apartments...

by slaboymni on Fri May 26th, 2006 at 08:26:52 PM EST
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Why does urban housing have to be high-rise?  Most European cities have higher population densities than their American counterparts, yet high-rise buildings are not permitted.  I tend to agree that it would ruin the historic nature (i.e. soul) of a city.

Higher densities change the character of neighbourhoods, but given growing populations you need to build somewhere. That means that someplace is going to get changed. NYC is quite densely populated - over ten thousand per square km in 2000 and rising. What I'm talking about here is whether a strip of old industrial area lying between a six lane road plus rail tracks and a very pretty old low to mid rise area should be developed as high rises or not. The proposed development is also right next to a commuter rail station and the highest concentration of subway lines after downtown and midtown Manhattan (both primarily office districts), making it ideal for high density living. The nice neighbourhood will remain intact, its skyline will change and there will be more people in the area. My neighbourhood which lies on the other side of that big road and is also beautiful will see that skyline from the other side. We'll be fine.  

As for ruining the character of a city - I don't know about that. Areas like the Upper West Side have their own character even though the main streets tend to be built up quite high

_Maybe if Americans were not so insistent on living in single-family homes, rather than in apartments... _

Well yes, but again, I'm in NYC, so you're preaching to the choir...

by MarekNYC on Sat May 27th, 2006 at 02:53:11 AM EST
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