seriously, i think your post was lovely...it left everything in a deliciously aesthetic soft focus....myth and/or math, observer and/event....

peering over the edge of consensus reality has this enchanting effect on people sometimes, powerfully endearing...

like we're realising we may never know the answers to the so-called ultimate questions, that it's profoundly ok not to know everything, and may possibly be a blessing sometimes...

the best plots develop slowly

the mind tickles for knowledge like lungs breathe for air, and just like in permaculture, the most interesting and productive zones are at the edges.

great reply from sven below, as well.

well done migeru, for creating such a great tit of a thread.

'The history of public debt is full of irony. It rarely follows our ideas of order and justice.' Thomas Piketty

 "SO either

 you think it has some existence independent of us and maths exists (our description exists independently...and we will eventually get to discover the maths that really describe the stuff out there... description and reality are the same...and both maths)..

or

we just describe what we see...never knowing really what is going on....

 We can at the same time hold that

existence is independent of "us"

and also

that "we just describe what we see...never knowing really what is going on...."

"In such an environment it is not surprising that the ills of technology should seem curable only through the application of more technology..." John W Aldridge