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LaRouche is not a reputable source. Nonetheless, conspiracy stuff aside, there is most definitely danger of neo-nazi, hooligan and who knows what else kinds of problems (violence)...that should be taken seriously. Expect security to be VERY heavy.

"Once in awhile we get shown the light, in the strangest of places, if we look at it right" - Hunter/Garcia
by whataboutbob on Sun May 28th, 2006 at 04:21:25 PM EST
For me, The New York Times is often not a reputable source, and I suspect one could make a lot of money on investments (especially gold) doing the opposite of what a highly-regarded London paper suggests in it's columns.

LaRouche forecast the collapse of the Soviet Union some five or six years before the fact (He said five and it was six), and everyone said that was nuts. He does fairly well regarding U.S. politics too:

Jan. 3, 2001:
"LaRouche compared the situation to that which existed in Germany on February 28, 1933, when the famous Notverordnung [emergency decree] was established. Operating on the basis of rulings by Carl Schmitt, a famous pro-Nazi German jurist, the emergency act gave the state power to designate which part of its own population were "enemies," and to imprison and/or execute them, freely."

"Calling the Ashcroft nomination a deliberate provocation, LaRouche said, "If the Democratic Party and decent Republicans do not combine to throw that nomination back in the face of the nominator, this Congress isn't worth anything. That is, because it will have surrendered its dignity."

And that page refers to the full answer to a Congressional Black Caucus question, which includes:

"We're going into a period in which either we do the kinds of things I indicated in summary to you today, or else, what you're going to have, is not a government. You're going to have something like a Nazi regime. Maybe not initially at the surface. What you're going to have is a government which cannot pass legislation, meaningful legislation. How does a government which cannot pass meaningful legislation, under conditions of crisis, govern? They govern, in every case in known history, by what's known as crisis management.

LaRouche was doing a live radio interview on the morning of September 11, 2001 and he got a lot of things right during that too.

I think he and his colleagues are worth listening to, but I do hope security at the World Cup is successful in controlling all situations that might arise.


by Gary McGowan on Mon May 29th, 2006 at 02:38:51 AM EST
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He may correctly predict a terror attack at the World Cup, but all of these countergangs have strong ties to the same European Synarchist financial circles and a new international fascist apparatus, which was already linked to the Madrid, Spain bombings of March 11, 2004 are both "out there" and for uninformed readers.

LaRouche's 3 Jan 2001 reference is identical to what an American friend of mine said from the exact same time on, so it wasn't that difficult. The Soviet collapse is another thing, though LaRouche was preceded by French demographer and sociologist Emmanuel Todt, by a decade.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.

by DoDo on Mon May 29th, 2006 at 05:00:01 PM EST
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for your comment. I plan to look into it (hopefully broaden my perspective/educate myself) when I can make the time.
by Gary McGowan on Tue May 30th, 2006 at 07:49:58 PM EST
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For what it's worth, the way I read the first quote you present, was for it to have said
all of these categories of countergangs have strong ties to the same European Synarchist financial circles.
The categories (so-called hooligan gangs, neo-Nazi youth, and "Islamist" organizations) appear earlier in the same sentence you quote from.

The second quote,

"a new international fascist apparatus, which was already linked to the Madrid, Spain bombings of March 11, 2004"

is "out there" and "for uninformed readers,"  according to you.

You seem to be implying that either most readers are "informed" [a term worthy of some discussion, but for another time] or that, only some limited few, including yourself, are "informed,"  but you are for some reason not inclined to inform the rest of us now.  At any rate, I suspect your dismissive comment exemplifies a logical fallacy, but I confess I cannot identify it by name.  (Like - "That's stupid. Everyone knows better than that." )

I'm not sure if you believe that no such thing as "an international fascist apparatus" exists, or if you are simply doubting that it has been linked to the Madrid bombing. Actually, I can't prove either proposition. LaRouche talks about the subject in the links below.

Article documents a "revamped fascist international apparatus" in continental Europe (names many people and groups, and their connections)--with prominent extensions into Latin America, set in motion at a Nov. 2002 meeting in Madrid hosted by Blas Piñar, "Spain's leading fascist figure today," and featuring "Italian neo-Fascist Roberto Fiore," of Forza Nuova.

and another (Larouche publications) article

"And in mid-December [2003] in Italy, Roberto Fiore, a prominent figure in the new fascist international being organized out of Madrid, showed his true colors as well. He announced that his Forza Nuova grouping had joined two other splinter groups to form an electoral alliance for the upcoming European elections, with none other than Alessandra Mussolini, the grand-daughter of Il Duce. Ms. Mussolini will be the lead candidate for the slate, and the coalition's poster portrays her alongside Fiore and the two other neo-Fascist leaders, under the slogan: "Together for a Social Movement." In Italy, the name "Social Movement" clearly brings to mind the old Movimento Sociale Italiano (MSI), founded by former members of Mussolini's separatist Salò Republic.

"When Ms. Mussolini, who is a member of Parliament, ran into internal opposition to this alliance from within her current party, she reportedly was supported by Princess Pallavicini, representing Italy's and Europe's old Black Nobility. ..."

"Mussolini, Fiore, Caponnetto, and Ordóñez are all part of a broader Synarchist operation now under way [. . .] Spanish Carlist in roots, fascist in outlook, and terrorist-linked in current political strategic deployment."

Nowhere, I confess, do I see any link actually established between any of the mentioned persons or groups, and the Madrid, Spain bombings of March 11, 2004. It is only by similarity to historical patterns that I can tend to see the possibility of their involvement in such operations.

I (or LaRouche and colleagues) just don't believe that sophisticated terrorist operations are run out of caves in Afghanistan or from apartment hideaways. That I (or LaRouche and colleagues) can not prove such empirically seems to be at least one of the problems here.

by Gary McGowan on Wed May 31st, 2006 at 11:34:38 AM EST
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