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I hear what you're saying, but why do you single out the U.S. for collapse? Aren't France, Germany, Britain, etc. also led by parties on the right? Hasn't there always been a swinging back and forth between the two sides? Why would it take a collapse of the U.S. to solve the problems of the world? Why not a collapse of Europe, say, because of her reliance on imported Middle Eastern oil? Or a collapse of China, say, because of her reliance on scarce educated labor?

"Something" will happen, that's for sure, but one of the possible somethings is a continuing of the muddling along that people have been doing for a centuries...

by asdf on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 12:34:32 AM EST
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Oh I'm just thinking the US will be first country to drive off the cliff is all. Most humans are in big trouble for more reasons that US foreign policy. In fact that is why anti-American attitudes piss me off - it's not so much offensive as laughable that other countries are pursuing something significantly better.

As far as what will happen, you are right, there are many possibilities, I just have a very dark outlook.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 12:51:20 AM EST
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My guess is that you weren't around when Nixon was running things. That was, frankly, a lot scarier...
by asdf on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 01:14:30 AM EST
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Did you ever get the impression that Nixon would use nukes? Maybe I just got spooked by that recent article on American nuclear supremacy in Foreign Policy magazine. Whether it was placed or not it doesn't stop me from saying "doomed" a lot.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 01:46:20 AM EST
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oh and no I was not around then. From what I do know I'm sure that having a very paranoid president in office is about as worrisome as having a president in office who is not connected to the material world in a meaningful way.

you are the media you consume.

by MillMan (millguy at gmail) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 01:48:43 AM EST
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I was around then and never thought things would get scarier, but they have.

The forces that countered Nixon in Congress, the federal courts and in the press were much stronger than those that oppose Bush.

by goinsouth (imgoinsouth@gmail.com) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 04:34:31 AM EST
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The forces that countered Nixon in Congress, the federal courts and in the press were much stronger than those that oppose Bush.

Dunno. I'm currently (finally) reading The Great Shark Hunt, which includes some of HST's Watergate dispatches. He analyzes how (and why) virtually all the MSM ignored the greatest story of the 70's for the longest time, playing lapdog to the powers that be.

Ultimately, only 2 reporters and 1 judge prevented Nixon from getting away with it.

The fact is that what we're experiencing right now is a top-down disaster. -Paul Krugman

by dvx (dvx.clt ät gmail dotcom) on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 05:32:00 AM EST
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In fact, Nixon delivered (i) SALT I (ii) the Paris peace accord and (iii) the reconciliation with China. I was more scared of LBJ at the time of the Khe Sanh offensive. Of course, the scariest of all time was JFK during the Cuban missile crisis.

Still, I agree that Bush is not scary for you. That is not because he is better than any of these presidents, but because the cold war has ended and this time nobody will retaliate against America with nukes during the next 30 minutes.

For the rest of the world....

I will become a patissier, God willing.

by tuasfait on Wed May 10th, 2006 at 07:01:30 AM EST
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