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Are you so worked up about the English question that you are prepared to see Britain disappearing as a political union? Are you happy about where that leaves England's voting weight in the EU?
Whoa! these people really have no understanding of federalism.

English votes for English laws, and a single Head of State, Federal Government and Foreign Policy...

Or are the Tories going to end up joining the Europe of the Nations parliamentary group? That would actually make some political sense.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 07:29:37 AM EST
The trouble is that England now has no English federal unit.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 07:30:44 AM EST
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Exactly. But these tories still identify the UK with England, so they cannot imagine two distinct parliaments in London.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 07:33:01 AM EST
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Well, I think there are two issues here:

  1. The Tories haven't thought through the logical extent of their attitudes. i.e. Two parliaments is a logical outcome, but it's not something they have thought about.

  2. Maybe you underestimate the pressures that may occur in Scotland (maybe Wales too) to not participate in a federal state once all the options are on the table.
by Metatone (metatone [a|t] gmail (dot) com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 09:21:06 AM EST
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Ok on 1. On 2, I think it is the Tories that underestimate them.

The tories don't seem to be thinking very clearly on any issue. To them politics really is a game where they prize is 4 years to hold cuhy jobs.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:20:00 AM EST
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Reading the original post, I see this...
A Tory administration overseeing English health, transport, education, social security and environmental policies would be so powerful it could not take orders on foreign affairs and taxation from a Labour Westminster government in charge of the last non-devolved issues.
It does seem problematic to have England as an undivided component. But, really, Greater London should be a federal district (New Labour restored the Mayor of London that Thatcher removed), and then maybe the North of England could try again to get a regional assembly?

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:25:54 AM EST
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A federate England would be the best solution however I don't believe the debate is headed that way. There seems to be an upswing in both anti-Scottish sentiment from England and an upswing in Anti-English sentiment from the  Scots at the moment. Whether this bodes well for the future I am not sure. However, I do believe that matters are about to come to a head; quite possible as early as next year.

From The Scotsman: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=861712006


In the first of the meetings, both held last Monday, Mr McConnell is understood to have told Mr Blair that the SNP could do real harm to Labour in Scotland in 2007.

"This meeting was about updating the Prime Minister on the threat from the SNP and discussing the political strategy required to meet it," said one source yesterday.

Private Labour polling leaked last month suggested Labour could lose as many as 12 seats next year, jeopardising its control of the Executive.

While some Scottish Labour MPs and MSPs privately believe that Mr Blair has become a liability who should quit before May, Mr McConnell's aides insist he did not discuss the resignation issue with the Prime Minister.


The first thing the Scottish National Party will demand is a referendum on the Union. Something that will, at the very least, unnerve the Spanish government and send the Spanish right batshit crazy.


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by RogueTrooper on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:36:38 AM EST
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Whether that reference to Spain is a snark or a Freudian slip, its brilliant.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 12th, 2006 at 10:47:44 AM EST
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