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I would expect you to understand the workings of the French government and its relationship with French citizens, specifically the avenues for citizen participation and input, better that I given our respective nationalities.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Sun Jun 18th, 2006 at 06:45:19 PM EST
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Before this thread gets even more off track, a crucial point is missing here: the public consultation considers propsed new EU legislation -- and presently there are no new proposals in the Defense field.

*Lunatic*, n.
One whose delusions are out of fashion.
by DoDo on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 03:46:20 AM EST
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You're right. But, as I point out in a parallel subthread, while External Relations has a history of consultations (just none currently open), there is no history of consultations on the Foreign and Security Policy even though it's been developing for 14 years.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman
by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 04:31:11 AM EST
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I would expect you to understand the workings of the French government and its relationship with French citizens, specifically the avenues for citizen participation and input, better that I given our respective nationalities.

[about to state the obvious] ... this is why I come here: to keep refining my understanding of government [French, EU and other] and with that knowledge be in a better position to evaluate arguments, mine and others'.

My apologies, Migeru, for having become a bit edgy, yesterday. -- My primary concern re defence and security issues is that Europe will find itself corralled into the US's foreign policy fold by virtue of agreements that no longer serve their original purpose and which should have been reevaluated, if not abandoned, years ago. Europe is presently in the midst of a tug of war between North America and Asia. Europe's policy in such matters is essential to pulling the world back from the vertiginous precipice we're staring down, by speaking reason to belligerent parties. Whether, despite its best and most reasonable intentions, Europe will be drawn into armed conflicts against its will is a matter that warrants discussion and clarification.

There's no question that the opportunity to be heard through the EC website's open consultations is potentially a positive thing, but I should have thought that one might find more substance here. [I see that this has been pointed out further down in the thread]

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by cigonia on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 06:00:32 AM EST
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There is one implicit point in this diary and which only you picked on, and that is: what about the policy areas where we have an interest but there are no public consultations?

Now, regarding geopolitics, defence and NATO maybe you should consider writing a diary. Also, what exactly is France's position on NATO? It's sort of in it but not quite, isn't it?

It seems to me that NATO is destined to unravel like the Delian League. I think that subtext is what makes Alexander G. Rubio's diaries so appealing.

A society committed to the notion that government is always bad will have bad government. And it doesn't have to be that way. — Paul Krugman

by Migeru (migeru at eurotrib dot com) on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 06:16:51 AM EST
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Very informative article by Alexander G. Rubio. Thanks for the tip.

I'll see what I can do to get a diary together on NATO.

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by cigonia on Mon Jun 19th, 2006 at 12:21:48 PM EST
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